My Proposal to change Allied TDs

Jump back to quoted post31 Oct 2019, 19:32 PMShadowLinkX37

This will change how easily allied AT guns can hit heavies + panthers, making them more accurate as well.

Agree with stormjager. Jackson needs an actual nerf instead of: who would win? 68 tons on krupp steel vs one open top boi.

Jump back to quoted post31 Oct 2019, 19:32 PMShadowLinkX37

This will change how easily allied AT guns can hit heavies + panthers, making them more accurate as well.

Jump back to quoted post1 Nov 2019, 01:51 AMIncendiaryRounds

Don't at guns already hit heavies 100% of the time?

Jump back to quoted post1 Nov 2019, 13:55 PMthedarkarmadillo

I've always imagined the usf as the faction that would shine above and beyond with munitions investment vs the usual fuel heavy faction designs. Like, throw up a munitions cache instead of fuel kind of power.

It would create a neat dynamic where usf is trying to deny the enemy fuel and the axis are trying to deny usf ammo.

I'd sooner MORE things follow the design of the AT gun- great unit, fast ROF, amazing vet AND if you invest the MU you have the best pen.

This has the added element of actively engaging the player vs the passive upgrades the game has turned into and allows a good player to make the usf a great faction. Choosing how to make use of your munitions should be a core of the USF imo as their ability to diversely turn a surplus of munitions into a surplus of dead Germans is among the best in the game

Jump back to quoted post1 Nov 2019, 02:01 AMToxicfirebal

I think the SU-85 is fine. Firefly is a bit iffy with it being gimmicky but i think its pretty solid. The Jackson is quite strong at its current position but only because its the only thing keeping USF alive late game. I think nerfing that if u want to nerf the Jackson . USF AT gun needs to be buffed as it requires a muni dumb to reliably pen anything stronger than Ostwind and the USF sherman just isnt worth getting compared to a jackson or scott . Maybe nerf the jackson pen/remove HVAP/ decrease speed and buff USF sherman AT rounds and or buff M1 At gun?

Jump back to quoted post1 Nov 2019, 15:44 PMHannibal

This, exactly this.

The Jackson is a unit that performs better than its cost, but mostly because it has to. The USF AT gun is great against LV, but even against OST P4 it starts to become unreliable, especially because the snare often takes a while to cast. You can invest munitions to make it good against it, but that will bleed you quite heavily on your mun. Bazookas are good, but mostly when enmassed. They also suffer a bit from unreliable penetration against mediums (72% long range against OST P4).

USF will probably become unviable if Jackson gets a significant AT nerf without buffing something else.

Jump back to quoted post1 Nov 2019, 15:50 PMLago

I think it needs to retain its net effectiveness.

What it needs to lose is its positional flexibility.

How is the hard part.

Jump back to quoted post1 Nov 2019, 16:04 PMHannibal

I agree with you.

I think it could do with a speed/rotation debuff and get utility. Quickly popped smoke like the smoke canisters or (although I don't like the lack of delay on the ability) Panzer Tactician to make up for less survivability, but only if microed well.

Jump back to quoted post1 Nov 2019, 16:29 PMLago

Cutting its rotation and speed hard would do it, but it'd also turn it into a Firefly clone.

Restoring its old health value of 480 would also do it for 1v1, but might be too harsh in teamgame slugging matches.

There's also the question of what USF has to protect it from dives if it no longer protects itself? SOV has satchel Penals or the ZiS gun. UKF has the 6-pounder no matter what.

USF either has the USF ATG or the Stuart.