Stug Vet

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 15:05 PMelchino7

What IF, we swap vet2/vet3 on the Stug.

Give the higher Rof boost and mobility sooner and leave the armor (which is mostly irrelevant for the Stug) and smaller RoF as vet 3.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 20:20 PMVipper

One could try either HP or smaller target. I would also replace vet 1 ability since it is redundant.

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 17:27 PMJibberJabberJobber

Swapping vet 2 and 3 is a good idea. Don't feel armor bonus should be replaced with lower target size or extra health, it already got buffed in both those aspects in recent patches. Furthermore, it would make the skirt bonus inconsistent with other tanks.

It's not like 182 armor (skirt bonus) and 17 target size aren't enough survivability for a 90 fuel tank.

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 17:27 PMJibberJabberJobber

It's not like 182 armor (skirt bonus) and 17 target size aren't enough survivability for a 90 fuel tank.

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 22:47 PMJibberJabberJobber

Well I don't think Stug needs any survivability change:

- It's target size and rotation rate already got a buff recently.
- The armor helps it against mediums, which is what the Stug is supposed to counter mainly.

I don't think vet 3 is that hard to get if you use it conservatively, it's just that the Stug is a very good tank for uptrading, similar to the M10. Also, people often get it when behind or when they need an emergency measure against heavies, which means they don't tend to last that long.

I do think mobility helps it (much) more than armor, so I wouldn't mind vet 3 and vet 2 bonus getting swapped.

Jump back to quoted post17 Oct 2019, 22:47 PMJibberJabberJobber

I do think mobility helps it (much) more than armor, so I wouldn't mind vet 3 and vet 2 bonus getting swapped.

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 07:07 AMIncendiaryRounds

I think we should make a poll on the vet 1 bonus being AP rounds because TWP is a literal piece of garbage. You'd rather fire normally because it takes forever to load. Relic/bal team nerfed it to shit and left it there.

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 07:07 AMIncendiaryRounds

I think we should make a poll on the vet 1 bonus being AP rounds because TWP is a literal piece of garbage. You'd rather fire normally because it takes forever to load. Relic/bal team nerfed it to shit and left it there.

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 15:50 PMelchino7

You can get rid of the blind and main weapon disable and just extend the time it gives 100% penetration. It's already called HEAT shell.

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 16:27 PMJibberJabberJobber

Cool idea.

+100% penetration for multiple shots might be a bit too much though, compared to similar abilities. +40-50% would be better.

What should be done with Stug E's vet 1 ability you think?

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 16:27 PMJibberJabberJobber

Cool idea.

+100% penetration for multiple shots might be a bit too much though, compared to similar abilities. +40-50% would be better.

What should be done with Stug E's vet 1 ability you think?

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 18:46 PMelchino7

Giving it some thought, yeah 100% it's high, but that's what it currently is but only for 1 shot.

50% sounds reasonable (it should be around AP Jackson minus the damage), it depends on how many times the Stug should be able to fire. My point is, that people tend to overlook the penetration buff, cause it's forces a reload first to do a small impact disable.
Giving it +5s for a total of 15s, you could get around 2 shots with ample margin. At vet2 (if vet is swapped), you would be shooting 4 times.

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2019, 22:19 PMBlueKnight

You guys realize that Stug is 280MP and 90FU? Why are you trying to make it pen vehicles like Pershing, Comet, Churchill, KV family and IS2 reliably? It's cheaper than T34/76 that is the only stock medium in SOV lineup. If you want high pen you can always build a Panther.