Automatch Stats - Factions, Teams and Maps
8 Jul 2019, 16:40 PM
#2
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Amazing work. Thanks
8 Jul 2019, 18:18 PM
#3
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So you saying that Werh actually losing more than Soviets or USF at 1v1 and in team games?
And yeah, all that amount of data gathered is just... unbeliviable. Superb work, man.
8 Jul 2019, 18:24 PM
#4
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Awesome! Much appreciation to all involved.
8 Jul 2019, 19:31 PM
#5
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Really impressive data; this is great.
Pretty surprised about the 4v4 win-rates, though; that massive gap in the top 25% is pretty strange.
Pretty surprised about the 4v4 win-rates, though; that massive gap in the top 25% is pretty strange.
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8 Jul 2019, 20:17 PM
#6
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Westwall at the bottom of the most 1v1 maps played, who would've thought 
Thanks for these stats, they help us a lot
Thanks for these stats, they help us a lot
8 Jul 2019, 20:23 PM
#7
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Really impressive data; this is great.
Pretty surprised about the 4v4 win-rates, though; that massive gap in the top 25% is pretty strange.
I don't think it is strange. It seems rare in the random matches that people will coordinate commanders so that they can counter certain things. I think I lose most of my 4v4 randoms as Axis due to not having a counter to howitzers. That doesn't happen to the arranged teams that I play with. Theoretically, Jaeger Armor has all of the counters you need in one commander but good luck having enough munitions to do it all by yourself. The same holds true to a slightly lesser extent with playing allies.
8 Jul 2019, 20:51 PM
#8
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I enjoyed seeing the impact of map vetoes. Each group had a map that was equally tolerated. It makes me wonder how the lines would adjust based on number of vetoes.
Excellent work!
Excellent work!
8 Jul 2019, 21:08 PM
#9
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Amazing article, thanks for all this hard work!
It amazes me how at least one of my least favorite maps always ends up in the top 5 most played maps.... no matter what mode
It amazes me how at least one of my least favorite maps always ends up in the top 5 most played maps.... no matter what mode
8 Jul 2019, 22:18 PM
#10
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Outstanding work as always SiphonX, this data is invaluable. Relic please take a look.
8 Jul 2019, 22:56 PM
#11
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Thx for your enormous work here!
I'm surprised how even it is in the end overall. It something about 1 to 3 games won or lost more out of 100 across all five factions that makes the difference. Thats quite a small proportion for asymmetrical faction design. Looking at all the op/up forum posts and biased trolls you get the impression it has to be far worse. But it simply isn't. In fact it was far worse in the months after the release of OKW/USF and then later on Brits.
Good work of getting this game more balanced.
I'm surprised how even it is in the end overall. It something about 1 to 3 games won or lost more out of 100 across all five factions that makes the difference. Thats quite a small proportion for asymmetrical faction design. Looking at all the op/up forum posts and biased trolls you get the impression it has to be far worse. But it simply isn't. In fact it was far worse in the months after the release of OKW/USF and then later on Brits.
Good work of getting this game more balanced.
9 Jul 2019, 00:18 AM
#12
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Thx for your enormous work here!
I'm surprised how even it is in the end overall. It something about 1 to 3 games won or lost more out of 100 across all five factions that makes the difference. Thats quite a small proportion for asymmetrical faction design. Looking at all the op/up forum posts and biased trolls you get the impression it has to be far worse. But it simply isn't. In fact it was far worse in the months after the release of OKW/USF and then later on Brits.
Good work of getting this game more balanced.
For as little praise as they've received, the balance team has done a great job in the last several patches. I'm not sure who they are, but the last several patches have been great. It would be interesting to see what the data looks like in a month or so when people figure out the OST meta because it doesn't seem like they should have the lowest win rates.
Thank you Siphon X, good job as usual.
9 Jul 2019, 06:07 AM
#13
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Interesting data.
Gotta add tho that lower performance in ostheer and soviet factions might be due to most new players having access to only these two, while dlc nations consist more dedicated, experienced players.
Gotta add tho that lower performance in ostheer and soviet factions might be due to most new players having access to only these two, while dlc nations consist more dedicated, experienced players.
9 Jul 2019, 06:59 AM
#14
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Interesting data.
Gotta add tho that lower performance in ostheer and soviet factions might be due to most new players having access to only these two, while dlc nations consist more dedicated, experienced players.
When you watch the graphs, and not only read the summary, you can see, that they are segmented from top players until unranked and everywhere is the same result.
New players are not in top 1%.
9 Jul 2019, 07:16 AM
#15
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When you watch the graphs, and not only read the summary, you can see, that they are segmented from top players until unranked and everywhere is the same result.
New players are not in top 1%.
Experiencing the wonders of the flawlessly working coh2 mathcmaker, I wouldn't be surprised if some of these new players somehow temporarily get to the top, only to fall down and thus also alter the stats.
But yes, noticed the segmenting, I was referring to graphs that don't have any. Like look at 2v2 with two ostheer or soviet players win rate.
9 Jul 2019, 08:15 AM
#16
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It is great to see this sort of data.
Fantastic work.
Fantastic work.
9 Jul 2019, 09:37 AM
#17
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Thank you for the great work!
Map winrates seem pretty interesting. I didn't thought Vaux Farmlands beeing an axis fav map
But my question is, can you tell us how the low SOV winrates come about? Is this because high rates of double OKW? Or are SOV also worse vs double OST and OST/OKW? That would be interesting.
Map winrates seem pretty interesting. I didn't thought Vaux Farmlands beeing an axis fav map
But my question is, can you tell us how the low SOV winrates come about? Is this because high rates of double OKW? Or are SOV also worse vs double OST and OST/OKW? That would be interesting.
9 Jul 2019, 10:14 AM
#18
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Updated to include the map picks after the Spring Map Update. The data represented here started on the 17th of May, so a few weeks after the new introduction, but there were some hiccups early on, and also, I found in the past that it takes a while for the numbers to settle (they still might not have done so, so take this with a grain of salt (as everything, really)).
I think you were kind of asking for this yesterday, right?
I think you were kind of asking for this yesterday, right?
9 Jul 2019, 10:47 AM
#19
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I applaud you!
9 Jul 2019, 11:33 AM
#20
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Is it possible to add the faction win rate deviations per map for 2v2 too? Right now I only find it for 1v1 and for me these are some of the most interesting statistics.
9 Jul 2019, 11:39 AM
#21
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Is it possible to add the faction win rate deviations per map for 2v2 too? Right now I only find it for 1v1 and for me these are some of the most interesting statistics.
Ugh, here are the numbers for team-comps (RT) if that helps:
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OH/OH OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked 54045 90096 37033 36150 45015 42244 14727 27789 11974
Won 24632 44896 19423 16483 22367 20613 7573 14261 6030
Won (%) 45.58 49.83 52.45 45.60 49.69 48.80 51.42 51.32 50.36
Map: Crossing in the Woods
OH/OH OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked 4440 7871 3327 3063 3855 3542 1294 2396 999
Won 2093 3928 1728 1370 1867 1747 665 1210 515
Won (%) 47.14 49.90 51.94 44.73 48.43 49.32 51.39 50.50 51.55
Diff (%) 1.56 0.07 -0.51 -0.87 -1.26 0.53 -0.03 -0.82 1.19
Map: Road to Kharkov
OH/OH OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked 4395 7540 3295 2938 3742 3530 1216 2356 1029
Won 2080 3869 1734 1290 1786 1779 583 1251 562
Won (%) 47.33 51.31 52.63 43.91 47.73 50.40 47.94 53.10 54.62
Diff (%) 1.75 1.48 0.18 -1.69 -1.96 1.60 -3.48 1.78 4.26
Map: Einhoven Country
OH/OH OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked 3655 6361 2672 2579 3194 2932 1105 1956 836
Won 1624 3173 1459 1181 1607 1402 580 970 404
Won (%) 44.43 49.88 54.60 45.79 50.31 47.82 52.49 49.59 48.33
Diff (%) -1.14 0.05 2.16 0.20 0.63 -0.98 1.07 -1.73 -2.03
Map: Moskow Outskirts (Summer)
OH/OH OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked 3645 5954 2413 2302 3002 2760 1024 1903 820
Won 1687 2965 1245 1064 1505 1328 540 977 410
Won (%) 46.28 49.80 51.60 46.22 50.13 48.12 52.73 51.34 50.00
Diff (%) 0.71 -0.03 -0.85 0.62 0.45 -0.68 1.31 0.02 -0.36
Map: Minsk Pocket
OH/OH OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked 4011 6592 2839 2700 3380 3070 1088 2006 837
Won 1778 3246 1531 1266 1749 1466 580 1013 412
Won (%) 44.33 49.24 53.93 46.89 51.75 47.75 53.31 50.50 49.22
Diff (%) -1.25 -0.59 1.48 1.29 2.06 -1.04 1.89 -0.82 -1.14
Map: Rails & Metal
OH/OH OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked 4299 7652 3332 2974 3725 3580 1237 2388 1047
Won 2068 3806 1714 1295 1838 1775 609 1237 561
Won (%) 48.10 49.74 51.44 43.54 49.34 49.58 49.23 51.80 53.58
Diff (%) 2.53 -0.09 -1.01 -2.05 -0.35 0.79 -2.19 0.48 3.22
Map: Vaux Farmlands
OH/OH OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked 3071 4716 1806 1904 2432 2238 803 1440 640
Won 1442 2466 940 858 1161 1042 407 734 289
Won (%) 46.96 52.29 52.05 45.06 47.74 46.56 50.68 50.97 45.16
Diff (%) 1.38 2.46 -0.40 -0.53 -1.95 -2.24 -0.74 -0.35 -5.20
Map: Fields of Winnekendonk
OH/OH OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked 3278 5376 2232 2132 2655 2558 909 1621 681
Won 1431 2683 1198 964 1367 1181 531 850 330
Won (%) 43.65 49.91 53.67 45.22 51.49 46.17 58.42 52.44 48.46
Diff (%) -1.92 0.08 1.23 -0.38 1.80 -2.63 6.99 1.12 -1.90
Map: Elst Outskirts
OH/OH OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked 4109 6954 2850 2742 3562 3341 1212 2125 928
Won 1884 3529 1509 1290 1781 1594 623 1043 473
Won (%) 45.85 50.75 52.95 47.05 50.00 47.71 51.40 49.08 50.97
Diff (%) 0.27 0.92 0.50 1.45 0.31 -1.08 -0.02 -2.24 0.61
Map: Alliance of Defiance
OH/OH OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked 4046 6824 2779 2688 3396 3089 1091 2267 971
Won 1834 3358 1412 1187 1689 1522 502 1176 523
Won (%) 45.33 49.21 50.81 44.16 49.73 49.27 46.01 51.87 53.86
Diff (%) -0.25 -0.62 -1.64 -1.44 0.05 0.48 -5.41 0.56 3.50
Map: Lierneux
OH/OH OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked 2209 3218 1177 1488 1615 1573 456 987 412
Won 1004 1571 624 688 766 761 243 494 207
Won (%) 45.45 48.82 53.02 46.24 47.43 48.38 53.29 50.05 50.24
Diff (%) -0.13 -1.01 0.57 0.64 -2.26 -0.42 1.87 -1.27 -0.12
Map: Semoisky (Winter)
OH/OH OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked 2967 4994 1934 2011 2461 2326 780 1428 629
Won 1282 2361 946 992 1297 1189 442 798 320
Won (%) 43.21 47.28 48.91 49.33 52.70 51.12 56.67 55.88 50.87
Diff (%) -2.37 -2.55 -3.53 3.73 3.01 2.32 5.24 4.56 0.52
Map: Stadtschutt
OH/OH OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked 3122 5181 2104 2130 2624 2377 857 1590 673
Won 1416 2566 1146 940 1300 1165 452 797 328
Won (%) 45.36 49.53 54.47 44.13 49.54 49.01 52.74 50.13 48.74
Diff (%) -0.22 -0.30 2.02 -1.46 -0.15 0.22 1.32 -1.19 -1.62
Map: Poltawa
OH/OH OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked 3708 6127 2549 2536 3010 3054 922 1924 849
Won 1655 3066 1324 1156 1453 1525 465 985 409
Won (%) 44.63 50.04 51.94 45.58 48.27 49.93 50.43 51.20 48.17
Diff (%) -0.94 0.21 -0.51 -0.01 -1.42 1.14 -0.99 -0.12 -2.18
Map: Trois Pont
OH/OH OH/OKW OKW/OKW SOV/SOV SOV/USF SOV/UKF USF/USF USF/UKF UKF/UKF
Picked 3089 4736 1724 1963 2361 2274 733 1402 623
Won 1353 2309 913 942 1201 1137 351 726 287
Won (%) 43.80 48.75 52.96 47.99 50.87 50.00 47.89 51.78 46.07
Diff (%) -1.78 -1.08 0.51 2.39 1.18 1.20 -3.54 0.46 -4.29
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