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Nice article

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Great article.

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Thx for the amazon work, Siphon!

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Great Job Thanks

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Would it be possible to see how many times each commander ability was used for each commander?

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19 Dec 2019, 18:33 PMVipper

Would it be possible to see how many times each commander ability was used for each commander?

Yes, but the problem is that I have to add a line for every ability... I have done so in the past (I think the scripts writes out stuff like how many grenades of different types have been thrown, how often PGs get the Schreck upgrade and other none-sense like that); I have to think about if I get a table for everything relatively easily...

Otherwise, anything specific you would be interested in?

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Fantastic work. It'll probably take me some time to read through it all, though. From what I've seen so far, I think it's pretty clear that OKW and USF need some commander reworks - they were both dominated by 1-2 picks.

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Thanks

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19 Dec 2019, 19:34 PMSiphon X.

Yes, but the problem is that I have to add a line for every ability... I have done so in the past (I think the scripts writes out stuff like how many grenades of different types have been thrown, how often PGs get the Schreck upgrade and other none-sense like that); I have to think about if I get a table for everything relatively easily...

Otherwise, anything specific you would be interested in?

mostly about doctrinal units but number of abilities used is a decent indicator for commanders imo.

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20 Dec 2019, 11:51 AMVipper

mostly about doctrinal units but number of abilities used is a decent indicator for commanders imo.

Well, doctrinal units are listed in the tables; when it comes to abilities, that's somewhat tricky as the replay files don't contain clear indications on if an ability/upgrade/unit is doctrinal or not. Sooo, the simple "solution" for me: I added some calls in the program that would add an item to a list; note, this uses the same logic I use for the units; theses might get cancelled or whatnot and the algorithm I'm using is trying to estimate whether it actually was build. This will not be 100% accurate, and frankly I'm not sure if it works well for the ability calls because I normally skip those, so take these with a grain of salt, but:

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Special Rifle Command             20  19
M3A1 Light Scout Car              19  17
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Throw Satchel Charge              48  15
TM-35                            389  45
M-42 45mm AT Gun                  17  12
RG-42 Anti-Personnel Grenade      57  11
Prioritize Vehicles              325  96
Tankoviy Battalion Command        51  47
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T-70                              55  40
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Field Infirmary                   48  48
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Mechanized Armor Kampaneya        37  36
T-34/76                           35  18
RGD-1 Smoke Grenade               39  11
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BM-13 Katyusha                     5   5
Volksgrenadiers                  235  64
Panzerfüsiliers                  36  18
Anti-tank Rifle Grenade           35  11
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Fire Panzerfaust (VG)            207  51
Panzer II Ausf. L 'Luchs'         69  52
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Salvage Operations                36  23
MG34 Heavy Machine Gun            93  57
Put Away Minesweeper             155  50
Raketenwerfer                     92  52
Throw Model 24 Grenade            26  14
Concussive Grenade                39  24
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Oorah!                            91  28
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RPG-43 Anti-Tank Grenade         119  25
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M1910 Maxim                       31  23
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M8A1 Howitzer Motor Carriage       5   4
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Blendkörper                      21  10
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Stuka Reconnaissance Pass         27  13
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Command Panzer IV                  2   1
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First column is the name, then how often it was used/called in/built and then in how many games it was used.

The names might not be accurate, I don't access the coh2 data base directly, but rather made a lengthy list by hand, that I have to amend whenever the modding team changed something. This also means they might not be 100% accurate. Or they might have been accurate at some point, but a new mod might have reused an old ID.

There are several things that are listed with their ID only. You might be able to find out with the modding tools what those actually are. If you do, let me know, I would add this then. The reason they are not recognized yet is that so far I didn't bother to look into them.

I'm away from the server that I'm doing this on from tomorrow on, so any other questions would have to wait until next year.

Edit: Also, some things might be split up into different categories. Like, I think there are 5 different IDs that are used when units repair something. Or, VG Panzerfaust is likely a different ID than the gren one and so on. These distinctions might not be obvious from the name given in the list...

Or they might be off or reused. E.g. I just noticed there were 7 instances of an ID happening that is translated into the Pintle MG upgrade for the Command Panther. Now, the CP was never build, so this is clearly wrong; either this is a case of ID reused or me misidentifying it originally (again, didn't care much about the upgrades so far).

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20 Dec 2019, 17:39 PMSiphon X.

....

Thanks allot for taking the time to do this.
What I would find interesting would be for instance how many times was the "Command Tiger" ability was used or how many time the HE IS-2 shot was used.

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Nice article and I like the way you showed the distributions of picks and particularly glad you showed the "first teched tier X" route.

I always assumed the tier-2 route (okw, sovu) would be common, but I was not expecting it to be so much more common.

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Since there has been an issue that has been debated would be possible to have following information:
Of the following units which where produced in the late game or replace losses:
Conscripts
Penal
Grenadier
IS
Riflemen
VGs

And what what veterancy did they achieve.

Thanks in advance.

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25 Dec 2019, 14:33 PMVipper

Since there has been an issue that has been debated would be possible to have following information:
Of the following units which where produced in the late game or replace losses:
Conscripts
Penal
Grenadier
IS
Riflemen
VGs

And what what veterancy did they achieve.

Thanks in advance.

Seriously, this debate is mostly taking up several pages because you guys talk at cross-purposes and/or semantics, but ok:

Yes, I can check when the infantry units where built. Any specific definition for "late game" that you like? Also, as I mentioned earlier I'm away until next year, so you'd have to wait until the first week of January.

Replay files basically only contain the match settings and then the player's commands. What they specifically do NOT contain is the status of any unit at any time: Neither where it is, not how many HP it has and not even if it is still alive (or - in fact - if it actually got built; the file contains the build order, and it would also contain cancel orders, so if no such order is found after some time I assume that the unit was build; however, it could be that e.g. the tech building was destroyed while the unit was in production, and that's something I can't tell from the file alone).

So, I can't neither check if a unit is replacing another unit (because I can't check if another unit died) or what veterancy it achieved.

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25 Dec 2019, 21:22 PMSiphon X.

Seriously, this debate is mostly taking up several pages because you guys talk at cross-purposes and/or semantics, but ok:
...

Thanks allot.

By late think we should focus after making T3 or PH3 when at least medium tanks are available.

I actually have little interest semantics but this stats might actual help understand the impact of 7 men conscripts on the game which I suspect is significant.