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I made few misteakes, bad choices, 3G delay costed my early Grens squad etc but somehow I stayed alive and I belive I had chaces to win.

After getting Werfer I wanted a Panther to push with infantry in the middle, Tiger from the top and Panther from the bottom but Werfer was so useless vs infantry that I made Brummbar (probably bad choce tho).


But Werfer vs Calliope.

First barrage of Calliope - 2 Paks wipe but it's OK. I kept them togehter. From that point I tried to separete them a bit and keep in ove all the time. Around 30:20 Calliope if firing almost from cut off at my cut off and the first salvo wipes Pak and kills 2 models from the second Pak despite I was moving them the moment I heard sound.

It's the same story all the time. Sometimes Callipe was firing next to middle VP but most ofthem from cut off to cut off ending with 60 kills while PzWerfer aiming as close as possible to mortar - 2 kills. Shooting at Major - 0 kills. Only last one barrage killed 8 models of repairing engis but I belive it's ecuase extra damage during repairs.

At some point it was shooting from cut off directly at my base and skill killing models like crazy.

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  PzWerfer vs Calliope

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Its difficult to determine if you aren't just trolling. Pzw isn't a high value unit on 1vs1. low armor, large cooldown, cost a lot to unlock and then is really limited in its use aka, counter blob. Unless you can catch your opponent full retreating in his base, you're not going to get paid really fast for your investment.
So yes, a Brumbar is most likely to do a better job in 1vs1, even if it is more expensive to build. Brumbar counter blobs and lone units, doesn't have a cooldown, have a high armor and it is definitively a shock unit in the sense of - You need a good damn TD to kill it fast -.

Compared to the Calliope, well as USF, or take the Calliope Doctrine or you take the Buldo doctrine, I guess the difference is there + prices.
Not that I'm against nerfing the calliope, just that I never felt your experience vs it while I'm also playing a lot and exclusively Ostheer lately. I have even lost my USF ranking....

No it's not, becasue Brummbar is kept at bay as useless unit by Jackson.

Well vet3 lmg blobs is a problem for another thread.

Thing is the pwherfer was designed as a T3 unit, it was only moved to T4 because the T4 was barren after losing the elephant. And TBH the idea of "T4" unit being stronger is something that never really worked out. Since some factions max out at T3 level tech, T4 can't actually be really stronger because at the end of the day the T3 level factions still need to be able to handle it. So in actuality T4 ends up just being kind of different rather than actually being more powerful.

But when you consider than finally USF tier costs you 180F while T4 270F (210 if skipped T3 which is something too hard) you would expect that T4 units will be quite poweful. They should reward you for expensive teching instead of relying on cheap call ins.

Why are you making the arbitrary comparison with the pwerfer and the calliope. Why not throw the stuka in there too? Calliope doesn't look that strong vs stuka which comes even sooner.

Also I don't think you are giving the pzwerfer enough credit. Most people who say it's bad are trying to use it at max range, and the calliope isn't even good if you use it at max range, but the pwerfer suffers greater from it. It's also the only rocket arty that has supppression, so even if you miss and don't get much wipes it can turn an engagement. It also has a higher alpha damage firing all at once and I believe it also reloads faster then the calliope but i'm not sure.

Most importantly, the calliope is much more expensive then the pzWerfer. It's like asking why the T34-85 is better then the T34-76.

Also we've seen what a stronger pwerfer looks like. It wasn't pretty.

Stuka is easy to dodge. Calliope is not.

Yup, calliope costs more what what if you need arty to counter vet 3 double LMG rifles? You need to tech and teching to T4 in 1v1 is not cheap. Meanwhile USF player can get non tech Calliope and spend rest fuel of Jackson/Shermans.

Before nerf PzWerfer was way OP. Now with Katy they are fine but why Calliope has to be on top on it? Why it does not leave a chance to move away/save crew weapon?

With all Rocket Arty you need to drive up close for dem wipes, the Calliope is just the most likely to survive doing this, due to it's huge HP and how much Smoke USF has.
Panzerwerfer has Surpression as added utility to it's name.

And for what reason you need this suppression if all rockets are lanuched at the same time?


I used PzWefer as close as possbile and even after 4 barraged I could not make it as good as 1 calliope barrage.


And what's the reason for expensive T4 units to be worse than non tech call-in?