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For all callins to be tied to teching. |
As has been pointed out, Penal units where not (usually) unequipped for their dangerous roles. Yes, some commanders probably cared less if they died, but that is arbitrary in war. Soldiers will always die, in every engagement. What matters, is mission success, and in order to do that, umits mist be supplied and armed to complete the mission (despite higher attrtition).
Even with a Penal unit, its pointless to send them into dangerous mission, without the means to complete it.
The really paradoxical thing about criticism of Penals inCoh2, is that it actually seems to be the Sov supporters primarily who are misrepresenting Penals as a "suicide throwaway unit", not the game itself. Penal DPS and cost, is not throwaway. They are NOT a suicide unit. Yet some people, especially those nominally empathetic to the Sov military historyseem to keep insisting on the stereotype, though the game, actually, doesnt ay all portray them as suicide disposable units.
They are expensive. They have good weapons. How is that representing them as suicide expendable units?
Makes no sense.
The name of it speaks for itself. Not being treated like crap doesnt come in mind when thinking of a penal unit.
Thats why a simple rename of strelkovy and such should clear these people's minds. |
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Too bad 95% of their shots hit the ground and do nothing. |
They were.
Penal units were composed of officers who often were extremely well trained and experienced. As well as that they were given out all sorts of hardware, more than standard units. Basically, Penal units could be rated as an equivalent of Guards or the like. By 1944 they weren't suicide units, but they were given the most difficult tasks and were equipped as such.
But they arent a commonality. A better troop becomes more frequent in the late game. Itll make the soviet faction look better if troops of some honorary title were given the best standard role, not penalized troops. It just seems insulting to make it look like uncommon penalized troops shining in front of actual Red army soldiers. |
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Soviets need this unit, but its going to be a bit strange having penal troops be one of the more elite and well equipped of the soviet infantry... its extremely odd that they are a stock unit, and i kind of like the idea to simply change it in order to make it easier to design a scaleable unit. |
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If a shock squad approaches my ass grens, i use their grenades and aim at their path of travel so they blow up at their feet.
Ass grens are situational, not all purpose units. |
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Its not wise to make more than one because they dont scale at all - but they are great at their role since they are a CP 0 unit with sprint, and they can flank and rush countering squads. Ostheer has panzergrenadiers to do anything above. |
Vetted Volks are much more durable than other infantry except shocks: reduced dmg received, less suppression, self healing and you complain they are not durable enough. (Baring shit like KV-8, B4 or Kat)
Except they need to get to that point - in which they perform pretty crap, and you might as well have fielded a tougher unit instead of drag around a burden that always seems to die halfway to the durable point. |
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Jaeger light infantry models have two stielgranate 41 grenades under their belt. Dont know why they like to carry around useless equipment. |
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Its way overpriced and too fragile. |
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