They can't immediately win you a fight against full health models any more, but they do more consistent aoe damage now and their crit rate on models below 50% health is even higher than before. And now you don't risk blowing up all the time.
Yea, but doesn't the new values actually mean that no effectiveness have changed when the squads are in proper formation, which would mean that for the aoe values to make any sense squad still needs to be pretty clumped up although not as much as it had to be before?
No, you're better off in green cover. -50% damage on flames is "nice", but the crit chance of the flame attack is still the same so the actual effect on lethality is way less, and meanwhile you are taking 6 times the damage from small arms than you would in green cover.
Speaking of flamers, there are people who believe they were not nerfed at all with this patch.
"In February of 1944, T-34 was rearmed with the new long-barreled 85mm S-53 gun and then in mid-1944 with 85mm ZIS-S-53. This new gun could penetrate the side armor of the Tiger I from a distance of 800 meters and the turret side from a distance of 600 meters. It was not enough-as before, the Tiger could destroy the T-34 from a distance of 1,500 to 2,000 meters."
Considering the side could be engaged at 800 meters and that the frontal armor was 20mm thicker, that shortens the engagement range for the 85mm from the front further, about 300-400m is what it was.
Nice to see Katitoff spreading Soviet biased information. Those russian tests are bullshit and known to be adjusted into the soviets favor. Alone the title: "70 years of victory" coupled with a red flag and fist should give you enough information who posted that data.
Would it be surprise to you if I told you there were a couple of different shells used and based on that, you'll get varying penetration numbers?
I think it's very amusing how the allies cry about CAS.
- AI strafe is only OP against blobs
- AT strafe is only OP against multiple (non-microd) tanks in one spot
- Stuka bomb is only OP against mass retreat.
Learn how to dodge, learn how to micro, learn how to Play, stop crying and don't blob.
Thats the secret to nullify CAS
That reminds me of something.....
What if we changed a detail here and there and....
I think it's very amusing how the axis cry about B4.
- B4 is only OP against blobs
- B4+FTM is only OP against multiple (non-microd) tanks in one spot
- B4 precision strike is only OP against mass retreat.
Learn how to dodge, learn how to micro, learn how to Play, stop crying and don't blob.
Uhu, the only problem was the 76mm Sherman and T34/85s needing to be under 500 meters to have even a change of penetrating the tiger frontally, where the Tiger H1 could penetrate them at ranges well over 1500 meters
When the Soviet High Command tested a captured German Tiger H1 back in 1943, they were shocked to see that the only guns capable of penetrating the tiger frontally were the 85mm and higher calibers. Yet the 85mm needed to close in at about 300 meters to stand a fair change of penetrating the front. Untill they designed tanks with larger caliber guns (Is2 etc) the 85 mm would be fitted on the t34/85s as a stop gap.
'Soviet firing tests against a captured Tiger I heavy tank in April 1943 showed that the T-34's 76 mm gun could not penetrate the front of the Tiger I at all, and the side only at very close range. A Soviet 85 mm antiaircraft gun, the 52-K, was found capable of doing the job, and so derivatives of it were developed for tanks. The resulting tank gun could penetrate the side armour of the Tiger I from a distance of 800 meters and the turret side from a distance of 600 meters. It was still not enough to match the Tiger, as a Tiger could destroy the T-34 from a distance of 1,500 to 2,000 meters,but it was a noticeable improvement.'
* Pyatakhin, Dmitry. "The New Generation of Soviet Armor vs. Tigers". Achtung Panzer. Retrieved 2014-12-22.
"Conclusion: the armour piercing shell can penetrate the side of the Tiger tank, 82 mm thick, from 1500 meters, and the front, 100 mm thick, from 1000 meters."
T34/76 had to close in.
34/85 could freely engage at 1000-1500m depending on the position of tiger.
Pretty much the same for 76mm shermans.
Stop the BS now kk? You're going way too much into axis superior tanks mythology and steering thread offtopic with historical bullshit.
oh we are,every 30 seconds a tiger is dying horribly to an t3485 mark vehicle/easy 8 swarm/P47 strike across the coh2 world.
We can only hope that one day, axis commanders will stop following their one and only fuhrer's orders of "capture/hold this territory to the last men", use the brains of their own and stop suicide single tiger against 2-4 tanks that were made to fight it and instead will support it with AT guns and other tanks, for it is not a doomsday tank it once was.