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With all due respect Ipkai, as one member of Coh2.org staff, I know this article certainly doesn't necessarily represent MY overall view of the situation, nor do I feel that all "contributors" should be lumped into this viewpoint you expressed. I've writen, updated, and edited guides, and spent much of my free time mentoring or helping newer players.I certainly consider myself a "contributor".
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Well said. +5,000,000.
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So what you are saying is that Ost got picked often and won often. Yet it is still clearly on life support; which means barely playable. How does this make sense?
ostheer won 0 games vs the things im referring to in my op, as in they won 0 games vs AEC or the stuart quad combo. At least in the casts linked to me.
they performed and perform fine vs soviets. What is not clear about that? They are barely playable vs the stuff my OP is about. Did you read my OP or just the title? Would you rather me write in the topic title "Ostheer is on life support vs USF and UKF only?"
And how in the actual fuck am I biased towards Ostheer? Talk about not making any sense.
No one has presented any evidence, any replays, any in game expierience, nothing. Absolutely nothing to debunk what I said in the op about allied lights which is the main issue. The panther and tiger and the off map abilities was just 4v4 inspired ranting I'll admit, but are still debateable regardless. |
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Alright so i watched the casts, yunooh linked.
Space hamster USF vs Shadowada ostheer looked like Space was drunk or just playing bad/didnt care, obviously because he was the Leader of NA by far and has the #1 seed for the finals locked up anyway. Didnt even get his light vehicles out.
Vonivan ost vs paula UKF was sad. I cried real tears for von.. 3 AECs. lol ofc von lost
Wada USF vs paul ostheer grand final, wada didnt go full M5 halftrack stuart cheese. He went LT tier aaht which is much more balanced and manageable as USF sacrifices 100 fuel overall to get said AAHT, .he then went captain and finally stuart. Still powerful vs ostheer but not OP P2w as quad stuart.
. instead of 170 fuel total to get the quad and stuart which is a way stronger combo, he spent 240~ fuel to get the weaker Stuart+M15 combo. by then the game was already lost and he was fighting vs south langres, vs an arguably superior player in paul. So it was possibly the best map, spawn, player combo, everything for it to be in ostheer's favor.
The very next game, Wada's ostheer stood no chance vs paulas AEC abuse.
What ostheer domination?
So in EU...barely anyone picked USF UKF, maybe out of honor or respect? Idk.
Luvnest Soviets beats cruzz ostheer
Luvnest ostheer beats cruzz soviets
Then alot of the games were okw, not ostheer. so i didnt watch those.
Then Luvnest ostheer vs jesulin soviets, and jesulin won pretty handidly
Then a rematch, luv ostheer vs jesulin soviets and luv is better prepared and wins.
Sooooo where was the ostheer domination? I saw some ostheer humilation, and some people saying" **** ost im playing OKW"
cmon guyz dont troll, Elegiggle. Ostheer is on life support.
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Just played against a rank 50 soviet, put 2 tellers, got 2 t70s. when he called his third light vehicle I just called in a puma.
also the 222 is an excellent vehicle, if you can't make them work you need to improve or just try another unit.
Good thing for the most part this thread isn't about Soviet light vehicles which arrive usually at balanced times, and can be prepared for and countered,or in the case of T1, causes the Soviet player to be "without" support weapons.
So Please for the love of God, Soviet fanboy, I know you're willing to run through a wall for comrade Stalin but I'm talking about VS USF AND UKF LIGHT V E H I C L E S. My op did not mention soviets. Im not talking about vs soviets. Ostheer is Not on life support vs soviets. Fighting a p3 would not be difficult with current Soviet tools. Ok? Can you relax now?
And rocket just like im telling this guy,you have to play against a proper allied USF/UKF player as Ostheer to know what I'm talking about. Otherwise you might as well be blind folding yourself.
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Browse here on my phone a good 70% of the time.
Mobile version of this site had issues with shout box and using emotes/ html tags sometimes, but I've actually added autocorrect terms for and foreveralone.
I don't see the need for a mobile app. What would be the main focus of it? Live streams viewing?(twitch app)?Replay watching?(PogChamp)
Maybe some tweaks to the current mobile version of the site already, but a new app altogether no, don't see a need |
But what about SU, if OH got a potent early light vehicle like P3, imagine P3 + sniper will rekt SU so hard that cons spam will be the only way to go.
maybe Soviet players could l2p, or uninstall. The game is western front now.
T70 could get a pen buff. The zis still is a zis. It's not like the panzer III was a Ferrari. It wouldn't be nearly as fast as an light tank, maybe a slightly slower medium.
Conscripts at nades + Oprah and guards still exist. Maybe m42 could have a role finally. Play that TOW mission where the PTRS is insanely good vs the early war P4... Soviets would be fine. If Ostheer sniper isn't EZ enough for soviets to countersnipe then give Soviet sniper Ostheer sniper cloak. |
Hi Cookies. I can see what you are saying, but I feel like this wasn't as big of a problem before the AEC buff. The AEC is the gross vehicle that comes out at like 5:30-6:00 minutes. I'm not sure how I'd feel about the 222 being capable of damaging vehicles like the stuart or the M20.
Reason for this is because I'm not sure how USF would ever counter that damn sniper if it wasn't for their access to strong light vehicles. However Ostheer clearly gets rolled the hardest by light vehicles.
At the same time Ostheer peformed very strongly in those tournaments. I don't know, I say the problem stems from the AEC, touch that first and see what happens. Even when I use the AEC I feel bad for my opponent as it pounds them into fine dust.
It's the AEC yes but don't forget the quad Stuart combo of P2W.
Also, I'd rather see all snipers deleted and damned to hell with nerf bats but that's a whole nother thread.
Its not like USF would lose their vehicles. Again theory crafting, but They'd likely still have the vehicle advantage in timing and every ting else. The p3 would just prevent it from snowballing for so long. #remeber the stooge spam? It helped with the light vehicle cheese and infantry swarms, as much as allied players hated it.
I'll check the casts too. And I guess no one will get on board with panther and tiger buffs. 4v4 still Allied playground then Kappaaa.
I still think Ostheer is forever dammed to always feeling like the pressure and heat is on them, therefore making them undesirable in tournament level play until they get a light vehicle of their own. "Playing axis" shouldn't feel like a chore or underdog role. Regardless of whether I need to l2p or not, that's the way it seems right now.
And wow this thread is broken or I'm really popular.
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'a match for' implies a straight up fight, of which only the Pershing and IS-2 will beat the panther (+ Firefly if it lands both Tulips and doesn't get turret kited to death), everything else has to act in a supporting or flanking role with other units screening and spotting.
Try to 1v1 a panther with a Comet and see how that turns out.
SU-76 is ' a match for if not better than the panther'. Totally 
If you seriously think Ostheer is 'On life support' I'd suggest trying to watch some ESL, as you'll see it's clearly not the case. Most of Ost's issues stem from other factions' units - i.e. fuel cost of AEC/Cromwell, but unlike those factions, Ost doesn't need to rely on OP stuff as a crutch.
since the su76 costs a third and can frontally penetrate it, yes.
since the comet can shoot 1st 90% of the time, yes its better.
Obviously im not referring to a vacuum fight. In that case the panther is even worse.
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