don't you mean THIS abram's tank?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Abrams%27_Sherman_West_Point_Museum_02.JPG
No, the tank he posted was the M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank. |
From an interview with Steven Zaloga:
"How many times did US forces encounter Tiger tanks?
When you read unit accounts, whether it’s the actual unit after action reports or the published books, everyone talks about Tiger tanks. But in looking at it in both German records and US records, I’ve only found three instances in all the fighting from Normandy to 1945 where the US encountered Tigers. And by Tigers I mean Tiger 1, the type of tank we saw in the film. I’m not talking King Tigers, the strange thing is that the US Army encountered King Tigers far more often than Tigers. That’s partly because there weren’t a lot of Tigers left by 1944, production ends in August 1944. There were not a lot of Tigers in Normandy, they were mostly in the British sector, the British saw a lot of Tigers. Part of the issue is that US tankers were notorious for identifying everything as a Tiger tank, everything from Stug III assault guns to Panzer IV and Panthers and Tigers."
Heres the original source of the statement made from actual documentation: http://www.amazon.com/Armored-Thunderbolt-U-S-Sherman-World/dp/0811704246
Most of the Tiger Is were deployed in the British sector, not the US one. And yes, Panthers were actually very common.
Now where is your references?
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The interview: http://tankandafvnews.com/2015/01/27/zaloga_interview/
I still find it hard to believe that Germany sent well over 200 Tigers at us, and miraculously we only managed to see 3? That doesn't sound right to me, even with sources. It's like standing in the rain and not getting wet.
ahw this thread is turning into another "I know everything about the ww2/ww2 historian" thread
we'll see what the future brings and when the new faction will be released, no one will play usf again
Relic should stop flaunting authenticity if they don't intend to follow it. Most of OKW's design, Pershing in Battle of the Bulge. |
No one has chased me away
I hope not, I hated the way those people acted. Anyway, cheers Cynthia |
just like ostwind, sturmtiger, and all those fancy axis units!!!
Sturmtiger saw action in the Battle of the Bulge, so it fits. Besides, you rarely see Sturmtigers deployed in game. Ostwind I agree with, the Wirbelwind was more common, though not by much, but they should have used the Wirbelwind.. OKW's Scavenge Doctrine should have also supplied StuGs instead of Ostwinds. |
The real problem was creating the US army around medium and light vehicles, yet only giving them access to good mediums via a doctrine. There should have been a non doctrinal 76mm Sherman.
I can agree with this, 76mm Shermans like the Soviet Sherman should have been available alongside the 75mm Shermans.
seeing a tiger in every watch isn't very authentic.
It's not, but the Tiger was extremely common in comparison to the Pershing, which only saw a handful of engagements.
The US only came across the Tiger I on 3 confirmed accounts in the ETO, the Pershing engaged German armour in more cases than that.
That's simply not true. The Germans shifted considerable numbers of Panthers, Tiger I's, and Tiger II's to the western front in preparation for the Americans and British. We faced a lot of Panthers and Tigers there. |
We're gonna miss you Cynthia, you were a nice person. I'm sorry about the disgusting behavior some people have displayed around you, particularly in the Relic stream's.
Good luck on whatever you intent to do next! I hope the rotten underside of this community don't chase away the next CM too |
Also, assuming there will be callipoe and assuming it will be able to use its main gun, why do you think it will be "cheap" enough to warrant it being replacement for normal shermans? What stops it from being really effective, but costing say 200 fuel? Would you use 200 fuel sherman in actual tank fights?
I hope the Calliope doesn't bring back the Calliope meta from CoH1, where you'd just spam Calliope's instead of building Shermans, because it was a Medium Tank and Rocket Artillery.
So...
Is there any purpose for doctrine with Jumbo? Yes, becasue USF don't have meatshield. Damn high armor, low speed, not best gun and now you have something what can get few hits and not die.
The Jumbo was the only US Tank at the time known to be able to deflect a direct hit from a Tiger Tank. If it had a 76mm gun, it had a change to take out the Tiger as well. It was used before and all throughout the Battle of the Bulge with great success, deflecting hits and foiling ambushes.
Personally I'd like to see the Sherman Jumbo with 960 health, 350 armour, and EZ-8's gun, for around 200 fuel a piece. |
StuKa zu fuss and priest already go against it as you've mentioned.
Scott also doesn't hold to the principle of katy/pwerfer firmly.
I could argue sturmtiger as well, while not particularly long ranges, its still a mobile arty.
There is also a KV-2 crying somewhere in a dark, forgotten corner.
The Stuka, Priest, and Scott are all still fragile. Not one-hit fragile, but they're not full-on Medium Tanks. The Sturmtiger is more like a super-heavy Assault Gun, and the KV-2 is an Assault Tank.
I hope the Calliope doesn't bring back the Calliope meta from CoH1, where you'd just spam Calliope's instead of building Shermans, because it was a Medium Tank and Rocket Artillery. Bloody terrible idea it was. I'd still prefer the Jumbo and Xylophone, they played much larger roles but they're so overlooked. |
He stated that it was pre Alpha, he's green so he has my trust
But thank you for your thoughts nevertheless! This is why I explained how to access it. The Official Mod Tools was released with an Official Archive Viewer now allows anyone access to the information. Using our beloved Janne252's UI Asset Viewer you can find the Portrait placeholders and Icons that have been made for the pershing (they are not finished yet).
I must've read over it, my bad.
Considering the subject at hand now might be a good time to announce information that I have been sitting on for a while now. There are other things that have been finished, though not officially announced there are a variety of things in the files. Things like the Portraits and Icons for the Calliope.
That's interesting, especially because it goes against the current rules of mobile artillery, which are generally fragile units. The most durable being the Stuka and Priest. Yet this is a Medium Tank with long-range rockets attached. The T27 Xylophone would better fit the current standard:
(It's a series of rocket launcher frames mounted on cargo trucks.)
Pershing haters are mostly axis only players. Forum crusade for easy play as axis in team games.
I'm a "Pershing hater" because it's being chosen over the Jumbo, despite playing a significantly smaller role in the war. The Jumbo was out there smashing heads before the Pershing left the testing grounds! I'm sad to see it overlooked in favor of something that wasn't even in Europe during the game's given time frame (Battle of the Bulge). |
l2read site rule regarding unreleased content
Maybe you should consider that too, since you keep having your posts invis'd for talking about unannounced content.
But I think Mirage's image provides all the informations needed.
(And before somebody cries "That's NDA too!" - Well, I refuse to censor stuff that literally everyone could have access to.)
It all depends on if Mirage's image is taken from the Alpha build, or the current public version of CoH2. |