He's probably using them like Obers and not satisfied with the results. |
Heavy engies can do the same while costing less to buy and reinforce, and occupy less popcap plus have significantly more utility in form of repairs. You only proving my point.
What point? That Heavy Engineers are over-performing? |
Grens are great unit. Great grenades, great wiping capability, great weapons upgrades, great cost efficiency.
IS are not.
Meh, I watched Vet 3 IS with 2 Bren vs Vet 3 Obersoldaten with MG 34 fighting cover-to-cover at long range, both heavy cover. The fight was about actually equal until one of the Brens died and the DPS halved, since Obers DPS is reliant on only one MG and not 2. IS had to retreat then with one man, while one man Ober also ended up retreating.
Vet 3 IS being able to stick it out with Vet 3 Obersoldaten is pretty damn good if you ask me. |
Thread: Centaur27 Sep 2015, 19:20 PM
On a side note, i'd wish ALL tanks would be reworked to have an accuracy based attack on infantry instead of having scatter values.
That's a terrible idea, unless you like the CoH1 Cromwell which killed 1 man every time it shot. |
USF sherman pintle costs more munis and have less dps.
Just saying.
Ah yes, that whopping 1 higher DPS at mid and long range, as opposed to the 2 DPS difference at close range. But I was more thinking of the near-double penetration, which makes it much more effective vs light vehicles. I've seen the top-mounted M2 kill more Pumas and Half-Tracks than I've seen the MG 42 vs anything with an engine.
And if you people want P4 to be on pair with ez8 and 34/85, then do so, but lock it behind a doctrine as well. If you have problems with ez8 and 34/85, then don't spam P4s like an idiot and supplement them with StuGs.
That doesn't fix the fact that it's underperforming per-cost. I'd buff the penetration or lower the cost to 115 - 120. And raise the Easy Eight cost by 5 or 10 now that it's got bonus health. |
Pz4 is a good generalist tank requiring far less micro than a M4E3 Sherman with its two types of shell. You don't need to think of what you are facing, what is the biggest threat and select your shell like you do with a sherman.
Actually the Panzer IV and Sherman AP have roughly the same effectiveness vs Infantry. Sherman HE is an optional strong-man choice to force-retreat infantry rather than just push them around. The Panzer IV is only better in its stock machine guns, but the Sherman has a superior MG Upgrade. |
I wish people would read the post before replying...
It literally says their dps would need toning down by the % of the cost decrease....
I said scaling, not DPS. |
Im sorry you dont realise that the IS MP cost decreases would totally change their whole dynamic of how well they perform in early game.
If IS are cheaper, then their scaling would need nerfed. At Vet 3 with Bren they are very good, Grenadiers couldn't hope to compete with that. Add cover, and things start to get crazy. |
Sorry. As for fog of war, some artillery can be used through fog of war, this ability is not the first, so I'm inclined to say it is intentional.
On-map can be used in the fog, off-map cannot. This is an off-map that's being used in the fog, it's probably bugged. |
True that. Was outplaying a brit on 1v1 kholodny ferma. Had fuel superiority (both fuels) for quite some time too, throughout the match. He built a wasp, AEC and had all 3 HQ upgrades. I build a 222 and HT. We both had first tanks (crom/pz4) out at the same time. Clearly, there is a fuel price issue here.
What about Fuel Caches though? Other territory? Anecdotes with little info don't help us.
British: 405+ Fuel: 255 for all Tech, 50 for AEC ~100 for Cromwell, ? for Universal Carrier.
German: 365 Fuel: 190 for Tech, 20 for 222, 30 for 251, 125 for Panzer IV.
In penetration performance, 34-76 and M4A3 are entirely alike, while the IV's is superior over the others by 10 at mid-range and 20 at long-range.
The Sherman and T-34/76 had the same penetration and damage, but now the Sherman has the best penetration of any stock medium tank.
why are people comparing the pziv to the e8 and t34 85 first of all. The closest counter part to the pziv are the 75mm sherman, cromwell, and t34 76.
Because it is comparable cost to the T-34/85 and M4A3E8, yet those vehicles are big a step up, and he can get one for every P4 you get. |