Profile of Vaz

None of this changes the fact that "The Cloud" isnt a magical button that fixes latency issues, and that you're not going to be able to get very low pings if you're playing in Japan vs someone in western Europe.

you are taking this way out of the intended context.

Think about this for a sec. Players expect this game to be available long term. Years. So the online system needs to be maintained, so it keeps working. How much does this cost? How does it get implemented without bankrupting Relic/Sega? Who pays for it? how much does it cost?

Originally, this game started out Peer to peer. We all complained a ton, until eventually Relic caved and introduced a dedicated server model.

How many servers are there? Where are they located? I don't think that was ever communicated to us.

We have a drop-down with some regions, but that doesn't tell you the whole story and they are broad regions.

The cost for relic to build 3 data centers around the world for this game is pretty great, don't you think? Who's gonna pay for this stuff?

This is why OP is bringing cloud into the discussion. This is a scenario that the cloud industry is extremely well suited to handle. A company like aws has many data centers all over the world with heavy processing and storing capability. They are secure. They have quick access to internet backbones.

The best part is that anyone can use them for a fraction of what it would cost to build and maintain datacenters solely used by 1 company, such as relic. In addition, a lot of the headache of managing hardware is completely gone, which is a huge expense for a company.

So the way you taunting the OP about cloud not being a magic button is very rude. It is the most sensible option for relic to create the best experience for coh2 and coh3, by leasing resources from a cloud provider which would easily allow relic to have presence around the world for their games.

Why do 2000 players in asia need to establish connections in Europe to game? As you have mentioned in your comments, cloud doesn't change the fact that these people are so far from europe. In this case, cloud is the magic button. Spin up vm of the dedicated server in Asia datacenter and now all these Asians do not need to communicate out of asia to game and their communication trips are now much lower, making a more responsive game experience. Why you feel the need to argue with a network engineer over a subject within his domain of expertise, I don't know, but it's not getting anywhere.


TLDR - stop being rude

Well you got me thinking, because I'm trying to understand how latency would manifest in this game. We all know about ghost actions in fps. I have noticed some behaviors in some games where a squad is extremely late in reacting, on the order of like 1 or 2 full seconds, which is more than enough time to get wrecked by a grenade.

I've only seen it with infantry squads though. No problems with vehicles, except for that weird thing where they will suddenly stop, instantly reverse about 3 feet, reset their max speed to 0, then begin to accelerate forward at their normal rate again. This can get you hit by 1 or 2 at gun hits depending on how cursed you are.

I was reading some old posts about tanks too. 80 damage on the t34's main gun? That sounds like absolute ass. And apparently ram immobilized and destroyed the main guns of both vehicles? Sounds like such a shitshow.

I don't remember it destroying both parts of german tank, I think it was one or the other, but yea there were a lot of complaints about ram being very unfair.

vipper is correct, it mattered where you hit the model. The infantry acted like little tanks when they have body armor. Panzergrenadiers had armor and they were ferocious. Sometimes you drop them like nothing and sometimes they run through everything you have. I think their armor increased at a veterency level too. Shock troops had like 2x the armor, you pretty much had to retreat your grens if you didn't have some armor piercing rounds, like from an mg42. It's easier to get bonuses to hit something with an RA bonus, than it was to penetrate the body armor with small arms. They could have played with penetration values on the small arms though. Not sure why they didn't.

Main difference here is that SU-85 counter heavy armor with higher armor much better and here is the comparison:

JP vs SU-85

Cost
400mp/135 fuel vs 350mp/130 point goes to SU-85 for being cheaper both in fuel and manpower

Pop
15/15 point foes to Su-85 since it can counter unit with higher pop better (heavy armored tanks)

Penetration
200/185/170 vs 240/230/220 point goes to Su-85

mobility
Speed: 5.5/Accel: 1.9/Rotate: 20 vs speed: 5.7/Accel: 2.1/Rotate: 22 Point goes to SU-85

ROF
5 vs 5.65 point goes to JP

XP value
2150/4300/8600/10750/14298 vs 1790/3580/7160 point goes to SU-85

Now as I pointed out the main thing JP over SU-85 is durability which does not really mean that much.

JP is good at keeping other TD at distance but that is about it.

In team games durability is game deciding. It's the primary reason why people play better in larger games with axis. You can screw up or play sloppy and due to the durability, not get destroyed.