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Well I gotta love this thread, how hard most of the people here are trying to justify that pershing is still usable in games. If an ability is used to make a unit stronger than THAT UNIT ITSELF IS NOT STRONGER! Remember how Panzer Tactician is present in Tiger commanders also Tiger Ace so that it can easily dodge the killing blow and escape the battle through BLITZ! Another ability!

Also for the players trying to justify Pershing's efficiency through Combined Arms I have the following questions for them:
1. Would you not use the Smoke Barrage available in that commander to smoke the MGs?
2. Does your vet 3 riflemen without BAR rifles fare good against vetted lmg grens or volks? Is there scope of riflemen existing post the 20 min mark without BARs in team games?
3. Will you not use Rangers from that commander? If not, would you not equip them with SMGs or use the grenades on them?
- After all this you expect the USF player to have large ammo quantity to spam Combined Arms?


The discussion should have been over when a vet 0 Tiger can easily take on vet 3 pershing and also have a chance to come out on top.
The only bonus of using pershing is its AOE radius that is 4 which is 2 less than the doctrinal AI Brummbar available with OST because admit it you will surely not bring a pershing into the game for AT purpose or risk being a laughing stock.


As to why the 800 HP for pershing is still not viable, will any USF player make a second rear echlon squad other than the one available from the start? No right, does not make any sense. OST and SOV have to go with 2 engis because they can and its cheaper for them and having a flamethrower with minesweeper never hurt OST and SOV. So here we are one rear echlon which is somehow supposed to be vet 3 with 5 man squad is repairing a pershing, slow AF.

- Pershing has 270 armor as compared to 260 of Panther at vet0 and 286 at vet 2 so it has lesser armor than a panther at vet 2.
- Pershing and Panther have identical penetration, whats funny is that panther outranges Pershing by +5 range. So pershing cant even trade well with a Panther in terms of AT. A vetted Panther can take out a Pershing.
- The panther can get panzer tactician to evade any killing shot or use the doctrinal blitz to escape when it is already faster than Pershing by 0.6.

Funny right? This pershing is supposed to be a PREMIUM TANK yet here it is being wrecked by a doctrinal AT tank, my point being a panther alone is enough to lockout a pershing. There should be no comparison of Pershing with Tiger since it is no where near that beast.

Congratulations the balance team has provided a Comet to USF with just increased AOE Radius, slower speed and no smokes, but still, it will take a minimum of 3 to 4 shots to wipe a full health squad.


CoMBiNeD aRmS wILl hElP pErSHiNg lmao imagine brining a conditional claim to support a units performance.

Unlike the ISU panther can't fight ATG's.

Unlike panther ISU can't fight tanks that well - it has a far penetration of 200 as compared to far penetration of 220 on panther. But I get that it outranges panther by 20, but its AT sucks and I once had A shell of ISU bounce frontally on a vet 2 Okw pz4 imagine that, how stalin would have committed suicide on the spot. ISU was heavily used as long range AI, but its not that it was not counterable right, every 3v3 or 4v4 with OST always had an elefant commander which is the best counter to ISU. Coming back to the topic, panther here can now independently hull down and easily trade with Allied TDs and always come out on top so that is where the issue starts. You have to risk bleeding AT guns or take counter damage while sniping a single hull-down panther from long range.

I think this deserves a nerf now, 62.5 range panther with 960 HP and 260 frontal armor is way too OP for something coming in at 175 fuel. The TDs not cant even trade with panther in this situation and Allies have to risk bleeding as they dont have a choice.

Remember when ISU was nerfed because 70 range AI was way too OP with a tank that could be made only once contrary to panther.

Even a Puma can flank and easily kill an unguarded SU-85, it needs extended vision.

I came across a very important bug that is prevalent for the Royal Artillery regiment players of UKF since I believe that commander is the meta. The Valentine tank gets stuck at its position when the smoke ability is used and only start moving when the ability has run itself out. I believe that the Valentine's smoke ability profile is similar to the M4A3 sherman so I guess it should move while using the smoke ability. This bug almost references the Aerial Recon from USF's major bug.


I have faced this issue in automatch so I guess this should be easily reproducible for anyone. This is only recently that I have faced this issue don't know its origin.