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... where do i talk about bar ?

Following the first paragraph, i was rather talking in general to the thread.

The 221 was removed from the because Wehrmacht needed a light vehicles with more punch and because the auto cannon upgrade was no brainier.

That created a trend to spam the 222 in resulted in further increasing the cost of 222.

Since now 222 is more expensive and durable vehicle one could reintroduce the 221 as an early counter sniper and soft counter to cars (WC,M3A1,WC51).

That would also allow both units to be better balanced since their will be more option available.

The 222 can remain as vehicle more oriented as hard counter to armored cars and soft counter to light tanks.

One could make the 2 separate vehicles or an upgrade costing manpower/fuel.

As for timing 221 could be placed in T0-T1 requiring BP1 research and 222 could require BP2 research.

The auto cannon could also be changed to start using accuracy and not AOE similar to Luch and Centaur.

You are confused as the reasons on why the 221 was removed. Relic strayed away from mp/fuel vehicle upgrades and the 222 was on an odd spot of been a further munition sink, on a faction which requires munitions for early faust, medics, LMG, sweeper, flamer, etc.

221 was a 200 HP vehicle which would trade even with clowncars due to the added DPS from units inside. When they introduced USF, they had to add HP to it cause it wouldn't do well against the USF LT Sherman meta. It was still crap, as they still needed to spend muni to get a 222.
221 was scrap as a concept and they increase the cost (230hp/20f) and made it spawn as 222.
Now the followings changes made the 222 obnoxious to deal with. They buffed the HP to 320 from 240, but they release it with what it seems to be an older build cause the cost went to 215mp/15f (old 221 cost).


1- If you can convince Relic into adding fuel upgrades into vehicles, i'll gladly see it re-introduce. But i'm not sure that is gonna be the case. See: FHT, M5 AA HT, M4 Sherman Bulldozer upgrade, old side skirts for PIV.

2- If "1" is possible, then i'll rather be it a more inclusive change with PG as well. Make T2 not require BP1 to be unlocked, but lock down 222 upgrade, pak (maybe), schrecks, HT behind it. You will get faster PGs and 221. 221 should be old 200mp/15f at 240HP. 222 upgrade gives it the +80HP.

222 upgrade behind BP2 would only work if you plan on making it even more expensive with more HP than now, and making it a pseudo P2, performance wise.

Overall: i don't think it's needed at all. Just buff AI performance against snipers.

I haven't read the flow of the discussion if it appear on another thread, but you are just trying to argue about something which is pointless in the mind on 90% of the playerbase (the other 9% been fanboys and i leave the other 1% free).

When people say it's free, it's due to the nature on the design of Ostheer teching. There's no CHOICE on not getting BP1 as you can't play with only T1. BP were meant


I'll compare it to USF "FREE" LT, CPT or Major squads. No one says USF is paying for those squads because they are paying to unlock them with their tier.

If getting T2, T3 or T4 was free from requiring BP, sure, BP would serve as sidegrades. Maybe someone who participated on pre-alpha might have some insight on it.

UP = People using the stage office.
OP = People using the balance forum.

Ontopic: Throwing my 2 cents

OP: "Skillplanes"
OT: Assault Rifles with long range performance (BAR/IR STG44)
UT/UP: Fire up!, Forward Observation post, Defensive commanders, Emergency Repair/Panzer commander, USF support weapon drop costing mp instead of muni, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4RhA9XKxWk

First of all, what a great game. But if i may say, Axis throw it with the infantry splitpush, Pit going for a KT on an open map against double Jackson and wasting resources (either by getting key units sniped or throwing Artillery barrage on nothing).

If you want, please watch this replay cast to see the current OPness power of the Jacksons.

Mark vehicle + P47 + 3 T3485s + 2 Vet 2/3 Jacksons vs a half health KT and a vet3 JPIV.

1- Axis was winning early game (map pressure) and i feel they lift the foot from the gas with going for the long time investment on early Stuka + IR HT. USF built an AA-HT even thought they were cut off from fuel and that let them recover ground. While later Pit66 managed to snipe it with a 2x cloak raketen, it fulfill it's job of resetting the map.

2- Both Sully (OKW Stuka) and Theodosios (USF) were playing pretty well respectively, but i think Sully was really stretch out of micro trying to be the one going all around the map and doing the "flanking" while Pit hold the middle ground.
Ex: he was harassing the left vp, defending the right one and assisting the middle one. This cost him his vet 2 Obers (he sent them in the middle of the map with the vet 2/3 Falls against tanks and got sniped by the Scott), the PV (he sent it to deter the Sherman blocking his infantry pushes, but sent it against a RE with Zook and got flanked by 2 Jacksons) or vet 5 flamer Volk.
All those left pushes with several squads of Volks and Falls were always shut down by a Sherman with HE shells while the center was been pushed away cause the KT isn't a god unit which can solo infantry, Jacksons, AT gun n stolen raketens on it's own.

After losing both PV and 2nd Stuka in quick succession and seeing how the KT was playing, it was just asking to be soloed at some point.

3- 51:50 was perfectly done. You can see Sully Volks on the left been pushed away, same with Pits PF on the middle left. KT was at half health and the other tanks were spread out on the left (violet PIV) and right (red JPIV and PIV). They just all blitz right into the middle. 85s spearhead, eating the damage and absorbing both Schewerer fire. Sherman goes left sides and makes the AA HT retreat. After that they kill Pit's T3, cutting down his tech options.

4- Again, i'm surprised by the pressure Sully could put down after losing all that much by his partner.