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Thread: Very few cost effective counters to upgraded Grens18 Sep 2013, 13:31 PM I really don't feel like I have to answer to your call, Nullist. Don't take it personal. It's a forum, and we are "talking" about a game I enjoy playing. Guten Tag, der Herr. Edit: Your petty accusations are, frankly put, pulled out of your behind. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Very few cost effective counters to upgraded Grens18 Sep 2013, 13:22 PM Ok, you refuse to, or are incapable of reading and understanding the context of my post(s). Maybe read Hermetriums post then. He seems to have understood what i have been writing. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Very few cost effective counters to upgraded Grens18 Sep 2013, 12:02 PM You make me laugh. What else can I say? If you read the post, you should be able to understand it. There is nothing random about it. I started with the manpower comparison, then went on to address the munitions issue (which seems to be your basic point of discussion). Maybe, because I am german, my english is not understandable to you. Considering I already wrote several responses delineating the misunderstanding/myth you where perpetuating about Vet being different between Gren and Cons, I think it would be atleast courteous to do so. I replied to that. You state the same, in every post. Basically, your opinion is that the high munitions cost justifies this huge indifference in gaining veterancy and turning your troops into grenadier supermen. You also state that gaining vet is equal, but what about armor ratings for the specific units? Doesn't that have to be brought into consideration? After having read lots of your posts in various topics, seems to me like you enjoy turning every discussion into a chore. Again, I am talking about 2vs2 games, where grenspam with transition into armored units is hard to dispose of because they just scale so well. The issue seems fine in 1vs1 at the moment. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Very few cost effective counters to upgraded Grens18 Sep 2013, 09:43 AM PPSSH upgrade costs 20 munition, LMG cost 60. PPSSH comes in to the game later than LMG can. PPSH is a doctrinal choice, limiting the player in to a certain style of play. 20 muni + Molly can easily beat a LMG gren squad, if he sees the animation and moves away he loses alot of dps, just cancel the animation, and start throwing it away. Either he has to re-position again and lose substantial amount of DPS or get hit by the Molly, losing substantial amount of DPS aswell. (Might crit, instakilling one squad member, and nevertheless he will need to move the Grenadier squad.) In a squad versus squad fight, yes. Now try that against 3 gren squads, upped with LMG and maybe even vet 2, backed by a MG42. You can almost camp cut offs or fuel/ munitions points just like that. And I am talking about 2vs2 games. Not 1vs1... I think there is a big difference in employed tactics and strategies as opposed to the 1vs1 gameplay. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Very few cost effective counters to upgraded Grens18 Sep 2013, 09:25 AM Nitpicking, are we? You should be able to understand the context by combining my paragraphs, Nullist. I am saying that the extra 60 munitions, that seem so heavily overpriced to you, justifying the super vet, is not really a big deal. You repeatedly state that LMG Grens Vet faster than Cons WITH LMG upgrade. Said it many times. I suggest giving conscripts a non doctrinal possibilty to research/ upgrade their small arms damage output. Maybe tuning down the LMG or veterancy bonusses for grenadiers would work. I do not know what the best option in this case would be. But as conscripts being the infantry workhorse of the soviet player, they do need a little love. What do you suggest, Nullist? Interested to hear your POV of what should be changed, if at all. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Very few cost effective counters to upgraded Grens18 Sep 2013, 08:59 AM lmgs are prolly gonna get tweaked with the next patch anyway Yeah, I hope so. So what. Thats what its there for, and they pay Muni to get it. So what if it costs munitions. Ostheer players go for munitions now anyway and also build a munitions cache. They have more than enough munitions available to literally spam LMG grens... LMG upgrades allows faster vetting, making them overkill for 240MP. They scale better than pgrens for their cost. I have been only seeing pgrens as dedicated AT lately. Keep in mind that I am talking about 2vs2 right now, Nullist. I haven't really encountered this in 1vs1, yet. Sorry for not mentioning this in my earlier posts. Before the patch, spamming MG42's was "the thing", now it's grenadiers with LMG. Ostheer players are very well aware of this. That's why they use it. Ever tried playing a game with a bunch of vet 3 grenadier squads roaming the map? Good luck with overpriced shocktroops. No wonder Soviet players tend to get KV8's and "abuse" it's power... I am getting a little bit frustrated by the fact that Ostheer dictates my build order, and players cry about how Soviets do the same thing over and over again. A couple more patches, and I think this game is gonna be way differentn (for the better). It's just really frustrating sometimes... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Very few cost effective counters to upgraded Grens18 Sep 2013, 07:52 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2013, 07:42 AMNullist LMG increases dmg done substantially, and therefore increases Vet gain proportionally. But don't you see, players rely on the LMG in their build. So it comes very early in the game. Hence, they vet up very fast leaving cons way behind, struggling. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Skins18 Sep 2013, 07:38 AM Infantry skins, sounds interesting... In: Lobby
Thread: Very few cost effective counters to upgraded Grens18 Sep 2013, 07:29 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2013, 07:17 AMNullist This is not correct. A common myth. Well I would really like a "myth busting" explanation why grenadiers usually gain one level of veterancy after two engagements, while conscripts take forever to vet up. Even after wiping out HMG crews. You can even compare kill counts, and the grens will always gain vet with far less kills than cons... I have played so many games where the Ostheer player would spam grenadiers with LMG's and get them up to vet3 in no time, forcing me to retreat out of most engagements to reinforce my troops. Without really gaining veterancy for the most part. I reckon vet 3 conscripts, hell, even vet 2 conscripts are pretty darn decent with PPSH upgrades, but it doesn't happen all to often. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Very few cost effective counters to upgraded Grens18 Sep 2013, 06:56 AM I would swap merge with LMG upgrade anyday! But back to topic. Grenadiers scale too well against conscripts. They gain veterancy faster, have a fantastic upgrade and a "given" AT option. All for the same exact price of 240MP! Conscripts need a non doctrinal weapons upgrade. That would really help a lot. And please do not consider teching costs/ time of T1. It builds so fast, by the time it's done and a grenadier squad is in training, I get one squad of conscripts out on the field. So we are talking about a few seconds indifference before the grenadier spam fest can begin! And you can always slip in a quick MG42 in your build order... In: COH2 Balance