It doesnt WTFPWN inf. It can get some lucky squad whipes. KV8 WTF pwns infantry. If allowed to sit there the Brummbar can achieve the same results much cheaper with its higher ROF. That was a beast in the hands of the German player and used properly.
The IS2 killing P4s with great AI can be achieved with Two T34/85s for less resources. Not the front loaded one hit kill but the kills over all.
The IS2 IS a heavy tank. It walks like a heavy tanks, talks like a heavy tanks but gets pwned like a medium tank.
Like Napalm noted a Jack of All trades and master of none. Hardly worth more than a Tiger IMHO.
Edit: And getting rid of one hit kills I am all for. Just give it 1280 HPs and reduce its AOE. Problem solved. It can now afford to sit there and fire more than one shot with its stupidly slow reload.
I say it again, if your IS2 don't squad wipe and get pwned like medium tank, it is your fault.
There is almost no scatter with IS2 (while it is stopped), and the AOE totally able to one shot a full health squad or a Pak40. But Brummbar, the scatter is damn too high (even it stopped), and the AOE is small like hell.
For me, Brummbar is overpriced and under performed. It is just better to get a werfer and mortar doing a better job. |
How is a insta vetted Vet 3 LMG Gren at 4 mins fine? Or a heatseeking vetted mortar?
You apparently like to bash everything soviets have, be it calling some units op or talking about cheesy IWIN strats.
KV8 by the way is a little too strong imo.
Vet 3 LMG Gren is a high cost, high risk but high reward unit.
Pin point mortar is Soviet 
Because Soviet are made up of easy mode gimmick cheesy unit, ridiculous keep dying squad but still manage to win games. |
That sums up why I've stopped using it. I can use 2 SU85's that have the ability to scale and flank rather than a solo, more expensive, worse, king tiger. The IS2 is a swiss army knife, it does nothing overly well. It needs a price reduction in its current role or the role needs to be moved more to A/T and the price kept the same.
Nah, this call in super tank (IS2 & Tiger) is that expensive because the best way getting them, is neglecting your tech. If you tech and still getting them, you may think it suck. Decreasing its cost will break the game instantly, because you can survive whole game without tech, using the only fuel for the IS2. |
I DONT think this QUITE illustrates your point. What I learned or was reinforced watching this video is how PISS POOR the IS2 is as a front line tank. How easily a Panther brings it down to near death (think about the time it takes an SU85 to take a Panther down in health)
How the IS2 HAS to have AT guns to back it up.
How HARD it is to kill a Tiger even with 3 Vetted Zis.
How much BETTER a Stupa (SturmPanzer4 Brummbar) is at killing infantry than the IS2 (due to its higher ROF not its ability to one hit squads)
And how the KV8 is the best thing in the Soviet arsenal.
Brummbar killing Inf better than IS2? no shit dude
That thing reached 50 kill count only because of the time it survived.
See how many times Brummbar take a shot to a cons, only 1-2 men dead?
But IS2 averagely, if you right it right, stop before it fire, should kill 3 dudes or even squad wipe.
He did use the IS2 in a wrong way, it is not used to deal with Panther or Tiger, but totally rape anything lower than T4
IS2 is like Pershing, but even pwn harder than Pershing, is used to WTFpwn Inf and medium tank, not a head on unit against heavy tanks. |
Then counter it with stug, P4, panther then? Its not like it have a slightest chance against any of them.
You're afraid of flanks? Mine the roads. You see shocks, you can expect KV-8, so there is no problem with anticipation either.
You know there is more than one doctrine having shock hur? |
So the IS-2 came in the 22nd minute,killed two squads(which were not retreated btw) and got destroyed in 6 minutes...OP indeed
Was more impressed by the Brummbar though,50 kills? 
Yeah, I said he did play like shit, but it will be much more deadly in experienced hand. |
Well I rarely(never really) see long flanks by KV-8 to cut retreat route.
You know, the rest of the german army and armor is usually there, unless you have chosen to greatly overextend your infantry even thou you knew there is KV-8 around.
Watch ImperialDane latest cast, and watch that happens so many times. |
So you just lol and learn KV-8 flamer range.
Problem?
And I was talking about PaK43, which is stronger then flak88.
All you have to do, is drive KV8 to the squad retreat route, then drive to the squad and it is sure dead charcoal. Range did anything to it? Micro did anything it?
If you don't even experienced enough and can't even think about this, L2P first and duck off from this popcorn forum. You are just as nonsense like that Bravus guy, at least you can type readable English though. |
Since there is a tank destroyer and AT gun that can 2-3 shot each and every armor from huge range, leaving no time to retreat.
Pak40 is just a weaker version of Flak 88, and Elefant just lol, learn to use TrueSight |
Thread: Snipers19 Mar 2014, 11:02 AM
Not really.
M3s are fail safes for med skilled players.
You will never find top 200 players going with dual sniper and dual M3, that doesn't work.
You will either see a single sniper in M3(which is a waste, because you have 440mp/20fu doing exactly what 360mp can do alone if you have half decent micro and conscripts before you) or dual snipers on foot that are vulnerable to long flanks.
You're really exaggerating by saying that you always see snipers in M3s.
Its just as popular as snipers on foot with better players not using M3s for snipers, but for flame CEs, which allow much more offensive use and actually allow M3 to pay for itself.
The better your micro is, the less you will rely on M3s and more on your own positioning.
I'm not super skilled, but even I don't use M3s anymore, well, not for snipers anyway.
LOL, you never see top 30 Cpt. Molo? the guy who spam clown car 24/7? |
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