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Thread: FestiveLongJohns - Kobunite, Ducati, Fearless Prince11 Aug 2015, 06:14 AM
In: Mentoring |
Thread: Undo Soviet T3 before T4 requirement11 Aug 2015, 05:56 AM
Because pre patch it wasn't viable to tech AT ALL. With the current tech structure it actually makes sense to tech in nearly every game. How is that not less restrictive? Did you forget how much of a fuel sink it was to tech for the mediocre units you got for it? Stalling for call ins was always more optimal. Pre patch you were stuck with a horribly binary decision between an AI tier (T34/T70/M5) or an AT tier (SU-85/Katty/SU-76). Their cost made it impractical to get both and you were forced to supplement this decision with a commander choice, of which you only get 3 of. It doesn't get much more restrictive than that. You're argument isn't that the soviet tech structure is bad or inflexible, it's that T3 units are so cost effective at the time they arrive that it makes no sense to rush a T4 unit. In: COH2 Balance |
Thread: Su-76 no longer needs free barrage?11 Aug 2015, 05:32 AM
Touche! I don't think it's terrible and it gives the unit some nice flavor. Might be a little bit too cost effective, but it's not on M5 levels of stupidity. In: COH2 Balance |
Thread: Undo Soviet T3 before T4 requirement11 Aug 2015, 03:39 AM
Just because Price likes going T1 doesn't mean that soviets aren't viable without snipers. If you want to go T1 you should go guards and still fast tech to T3 and rush either a M5 or T-70. You can then use the SU-76 for AT and either back tech to T2 if you went a call in commander, or tech to T4 if you need the units from there. It just doesn't make sense to go T1 and T2 when the units from T3 are so strong. We're starting to get off topic here, but I still don't think the issue lies with the soviet tech structure being the issue so much as the units in T4 aren't worth rushing over the units in T3. If there was a shock unit that had as big an impact as a T3 unit you'd see people building T3 and skipping the light vehicles there in order to get a shock unit from T4 that scales better into the late game. In: COH2 Balance |
Thread: Su-76 no longer needs free barrage?11 Aug 2015, 03:30 AM
I never hit anything with the SU-76 barrage unless I have like 3+ of them barraging the same area. Let's let the SU-76 have its day in the sun before we send him back to the shadows eh? In: COH2 Balance |
Thread: Undo Soviet T3 before T4 requirement11 Aug 2015, 03:25 AM
The stug is used as a stop gap AT unit, rushing it makes no sense unless you are incredibly behind, in which case you're better off just playing T2 stall into P4 command tank with pak support for AT. The stug compares more directly with the SU-76, which comes earlier as well. Yes, the Stug-E is a medium call in, but this is CP dependant, and not all games progress at the same rate. This argument doesn't really belong in a discussion regarding tech structure, because it's a call in. This applies to the Command P4 as well, which is probably over performing. Also, no one builds both T1 and T2 as soviets unless you are playing completely for call ins, which isn't really viable this patch. The tech costs I provided are how most games play out. Sure there are niche tactics that might work if you outplay your opponent, but for the most part soviets go either T1 or T2, then T3 and T4, while ostheer goes T1, T2, and T3. In: COH2 Balance |
Thread: Undo Soviet T3 before T4 requirement11 Aug 2015, 03:01 AM
The issue is the exact same with Ostheer. In all reality you can't afford to skip T2 and go without paks. The units in t3 are very effective, and the teching cost for T4 is prohibitively expensive for the units they provide so rushing it is not viable. I don't see how skipping tech as ostheer is any more viable, or gives you any more advantage than "skipping tech" by not producing any units out of T3 as soviets. The only way T4 is viable as Ost is if you skip it by going command P4. I get what you guys are saying, but to claim that the ostheer teching structure is somehow more flexible than the soviets doesn't really hold water. The issue here, imo, is that units in soviet T4 aren't worth skipping the T3 units for.
Really, you're going to call BS without actually doing the work? Well here you go: Soviets start with 50 fuel. T2 Cost: 50 Fuel T3 Cost: 80 FUel T4 Cost: 90 Fuel T34 Cost: 80 Fuel Total cost to T34 minus initial fuel: 250 fuel Ostheer start with 20 fuel T1 cost: 10 Fuel BP 1 cost: 40 fuel T2 cost: 20 Fuel BP 2 cost: 45 Fuel T3 cost: 75 Fuel P4 cost: 125 Fuel Total cost to P4 minus initial fuel: 295 fuel In: COH2 Balance |
Thread: For Dusty11 Aug 2015, 02:02 AM
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Thread: Undo Soviet T3 before T4 requirement11 Aug 2015, 01:58 AM
Except the building cost isn't all that significant for T3, you can still get your non doctrinal medium out faster than ostheer if you choose not to build any units out of T3. Soviets were really restrictive and annoying to play with the old tech tree, I like the flexibility it gives now. I understand what you guys are getting at, but i'd say this is much better than the previous Soviet tech structure. I don't agree at all with the OP that this solution is "stupid" because IMO the soviets feel more dynamic and fun than they ever have, aside from their reliance on call in infantry. However such a change would require an increase to the price of the T4 building. To avoid recreating the situation we had in the last patch where you never built both T3 and T4 I would suggest to give a "discount" on T4 when T3 is already built. I like this suggestion, especially when the M5 gets nerfed and rushing a T34 might be worth it In: COH2 Balance |
Thread: Undo Soviet T3 before T4 requirement11 Aug 2015, 01:17 AM
I don't see how building T3 and not producing any units from it is any different than teching battle phase 3 and not building the actual building as ostheer. They both serve the purpose of delaying the stronger units from the next tier, except the soviets get the luxury of actually building those units later in the game should they so choose. You can still rush T4 by not producing anything from T3, although I have no idea why you would. I actually like the soviets in the current state, very flexible, interesting units throughout. In: COH2 Balance |
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