Profile of rumartinez89

Just imagining penals with sprint, 2 flamethrowers and a satchel charge. Yeah that's a fucking badass unit right there.

I think they removed it back in 2017, they got one of the heaviest nerfs as they made several changes.

Increased POP - makes sense
Received ACC dropped to .85 - for the reinforcement cost, bad idea
cheaper satchel VET3 - Useless
Lost Oorah - seems to be overnerf if losing Target size, Oorah would help with picking engagement
Lost flamethrower - makes sense, made them to strong
Gained AT upgrade

Overall it was a massive nerf that dropped them almost to irrelevancy. The worst part is the most recent infantry patch drops some ACC vet for REC ACC when they should have had it the entire time. I think most players would give up the cheaper Satchel and get the lost ACC back. This would help with scaling as Flames plus Oorah was the issue not SVT damage.

I still think OKW has the best Theoretical Design since it perfectly encapsulates the spirit of late Wehrmacht army: very experienced veterans with little technical means so scavenging becomes really important.

If the bonus were, say, 40fuel and 90muni it would be way better since it actually makes sense to risk your squad's life for faster tank production. In its current iteration, it's meaningless.

I agree to some extent, but the application is lacking. I feel like it would have been better if scavenging helped unlock upgrades. The original P4J, when it came as a part of a 2-pack had horrible turret rotation. It would have been cool if scavenging unlocked a turret upgrade so it felt worth it to risk infantry while making it vital to destroy wrecks to keep it out of OKW hands.

Add ratte yes or no then?

Wouldn't it be better to compare the Black Prince to the Maus as both were prototyped but never saw action? They at least got something in a museum so they are both not fiction.

Strangely enough I did have an opponent in automatch recently who tried really hard to do this with an M10, as their kind of 'opening play' rushing it before any other vehicle. Needless to say, it didn't work very well.

If Rumartinez says it got heavily nerfed in the past perhaps it makes a bit more sense. Possibly someone who hadn't played the game in a long time? It was weird.

From april 2017

M10

We find that the M10, which is a highly cost-efficient tank hunter is overperforming with respect to how it deals with infantry due to its potency to crush squads. Therefore, we are taking steps to remedy this, without, however, affecting M10’s mobility.

Chassis rotation rate reduced from 38 to 32
Turret rotation rate increased from 30 to 36 to compensate

It was a really weird Tank destroyer as it was made for flanking but it’s turret rotation was straight ass. So to win matchups you had to spam and blob so enemy tank would get stuck and your turret could finally turn around and kill it.

My guess is the player probably tried to drive straight thru your squad instead of turn over top of them. That was the trick, back then a small change in direction would initiate the crush and since they turned so quickly opponent had no chance to react.

Reading thru some of the old balance changes you can kind of see why certain units struggle. Penals/Rifleman got some heavy nerfs that were partially reversed for specifically Wehrmacht infantry scaling.

If that was the case you would see exact 1 to 1 copies of stuff in the game which you do not see at all.

The Units should be based on faction needs.

Whermacht lacks 60 range TD - Tiger


Soviets - Needs a Meat Shield and strong anti infantry tank- IS - 2 (UKF have Churchills and Fireflys)


USF - Pershing non doctrinal could be the Utility based heavy tank (high speed, acts as a scout so Pathfinders are not needed)


These are just examples, it would take some tweaking but would be an improvement over the system we have in place now.

But they do have everything you say, they are just unlocked differently. OST/SOV have literally been an inversed mirror of each other since the start.
KV1/KV8 were the meatshield strong AI was just doctrinal were as Brumbar was stock.
OST had cheaper/faster ROF/less range with STUG however you could get up to about 60 range with hull down, same with Panther.
Tiger/IS2 have literally been balanced around each others performance from the start of the game. With either similar timings or IS2 coming one CP later, on paper their guns had similar performance with the differences being IS2 slower but better armored.

In all I do like your idea about the heavies filling in for factional needs however soviets don't really need a stronger AI tank as they have the easiest access to rocket arty. IF the IS2 was made stock and consistent that is more POP available to just spam SU85 as the T34/Katy is no longer needed. As for the Tiger it almost sounds like you want a turreted ISU152, with none of the drawback aside from switchable ammo.