Profile of starwolf64

Yes. Nerf the units mentioned in this thread and enable mirror matching; perfectly balanced game.

I feel a speed decrease to the su85 is not going to balance the tank in a way that most people want it to be balanced. A supported su85 is still not going to die to a flank and let's face it most people want an option to be able to offensively kill the su85 head on they don't want to be required to flank the thing. I guess a speed decrease is going to punish all those rambo su85s that charge into the enemy lines unsupported so I guess there's that.

My point being you can't expect the kv8 to be just like the flame ht, it's a tank not a half track why would relic make it identical or try to balance it to one just seriously think about that for a second. Why would anyone in their right mind build 3 flame hts even if they somehow had the munition resources? They wouldn't (besides the fact why would anyone ever need 3 flame hts in a 1v1 game?) for the same reason no one would spam kv8s against anyone competent; all it takes is 1 tank and both the kv8 and flame hts lose a lot of their offensive capability.

The Dave; *FIRST OF ALL IF YOU FIND MY POSTS PAINFUL TO READ SIMPLY DON'T READ THEM* Now that we got that out of the way I hope you realize that if you make your opponent counter your flame ht with those options (which in reality probably aren't even optional in a close game they're required) than you've already "countered" the kv8 and don't even have to worry about one the second you see guard infantry most likely in the first 6 mins of the game.

With their linear teching the German player should easily be able to dictate the game; build a couple mgs and try to get the Soviet to get t1 scout cars, follow up your mgs with a flame ht so the Soviet will have to either get guards or additionally spent 50 fuel and 600 manpower on his first at gun; if he gets Guards you've cut down his doctrine options and don't have to worry about either shock troops or kv8s, if they decided to go for an at gun by spending resources on both t1 and t2 you're already ahead and free to tech to a p4 that will counter his kv8 nicely supported with your own at guns. If you happen to lose your flame ht to anti tank grenades and mines it's most likely because of your own carelessness as a ht can outrun an oorahd conscript squad and it's flame thrower range is longer than the at grenade throwing distance.

Some people have to realize that there's more to the game than just buffing and nerfing units, it's a lot easier to just comment in any one of these balance threads with "-50/+50 FUEL, DONE!" like most people tend to do rather than to sit down and actually think about the mechanics in the game. Let's just make everything counterable by everything. Tweaking the unit stats should be the last resort, if kv8s really are uncounterale in EVERY scenario and happen to be a "must have" spammable by everyone in every game unit like the p4 and su85 than in that case they need major adjustments and I personally don't see that being the case...yet.

It's still easily the best off map call-in in the game; comes at 1 more cp than recon flight and costs 40 munitions more for the additional ability to pin infantry and nearly guarantee sniper kills (on top of essentially being recon flight). Yeah it did get nerfed once but considering it was essentially a free win at 3 cp I would expect most people who care about balance try to ignore that nightmare of an ability ever existed. I personally think at this stage it should be left as is except the cooldown should be doubled because as long as you have the munitions it's a no brainer to have it called in as often as possible.

Nullist you can't simply compare the armor or artillery options available to each faction with out looking at the big picture, it's clear you're incapable for some reason of doing it yourself. Take a deep breath a step back and relax, remember if balance stresses you out there's always 1v1 mirror matches against the AI.