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Thread: [BuildOrder]Red Army Blues8 Aug 2013, 06:16 AM Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2013, 17:47 PMGodz_Mercenary You're talking like a halftrack, a single unit, suddenly gives you map control and automatically kills a players 3 Con squads as soon as it's on the field. It does though. FlameHT can easily roast an entire script squad by the time they throw an AT nade. Good luck throwing two more ATnades when he is supporting his flameHT with a insta-pinning MG42. I've seen a vet 2 flameHT, take a button, then roast a Guard squad completely while being shot by two Zis guns and survive while reversing. Their survivability really is ridiculous considering the cheapness of the unit and how early you can field it. As mentioned having Guards is the only really 'early' counter and you need them in a scout car to actually finish it off reliably. That is of course ignoring that Guards are doctrine. In: Red Army Strategies
Thread: The Metagame: HMG Spam8 Aug 2013, 00:03 AM Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2013, 01:49 AMCyridius The problem stems from a number of notable issues. I should note that I'm noticing MG42 spam way more than Maxim spam. But that's more than likely because I'm playing more Soviet than German lately so it's just more likely for me to face it due to higher number of games. No, that is more to do with the Maxim being fairly rubbish at actually performing the role of a HMG. While the MG42 can be spammed and hit the field much faster/earlier and will instantly pin (aka make units completely useless) multiple squads with little to no micro required. Combined with their arc, they are virtually un-flankable early game by infantry, which is not the case with Maxim's at all. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: July 30th Patch29 Jul 2013, 19:56 PM Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2013, 19:54 PMAdamantawesome This was a disappointing patch. T-34 and IS-2 werent even addressed Well, at least the T34-85's scatter was buffed and P4s nerfed. Though, the P4 needed a bigger nerf. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Strafe from germans is ridiculous25 Jul 2013, 20:53 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Jul 2013, 17:06 PMpqumsieh Hmm, if you don't like propaganda not sure you're going to like the new strafe. Sounds good. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Strafe from germans is ridiculous25 Jul 2013, 20:47 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Jul 2013, 17:23 PMNullist Lets make stuff useless! As I said, Marxist logic. And then he tell me its about reading comprehension... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I was being sardonic. So yes, let me tell you about reading comprehension and your lack of it! Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2013, 06:26 AMNullist Raise muni cost. Jump back to quoted post1 Jul 2013, 06:18 AMMarxist Except that doesn't fix its brokeness. It would still be better than any Soviet strike even with increased cost. Radius and duration are too long. It's too good at killing infantry despite the fact that it pins everything, including retreating units. I've had entire Guard squads killed by Strafe after retreating. Seen 6 man Zis guns decrewed since you can't actually get out of the radius fast enough. Not to mention, a blob of PGrens can just waltz right in strafe radius and clean up everything while the Soviets are helplessly pinned. At 3cp, the cost is about right. The ability itself just needs to be nerfed into the ground to be balanced properly. Already posted my thoughts earlier in this thread on strafe. But it was extremely hilarious and predictable how your initial 'fix' to strafe was just to raise the muni cost. HAHAHAHA like that would fix it. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-85; The Thread25 Jul 2013, 05:46 AM Jump back to quoted post25 Jul 2013, 02:20 AMCombatMuffin The Panther can be kited by the SU-85. The SU-85 is actually slightly faster than PIV, so they can't catch up with getting kited by a well played SU-85. Wrong actually. A su85 isn't beating a well micro'd Panther (that is in kill range) unless it gets extremely lucky RNG. If a Panther loses because its being outranged than that is straight up micro failure. Jump back to quoted post25 Jul 2013, 02:20 AMCombatMuffin The PIV is the best tank for its cost... Thats debatable, but I could agree. The SU-85 can destroy, 1v1 a PIV and it is cheaper. The Su85 will win a frontal engagement but that is simply poor play by the P4. A P4 coming from the side of a Su85 can easily win 1v1 due to the 85s turn speed and the P4s turret. But you do realize that the Su85 is a TANK DESTROYER Jump back to quoted post25 Jul 2013, 02:20 AMCombatMuffin It has a longer line of sight and it is faster. P4 has a turret and has more maneuverability. P4s is actually faster than the Su85 reverse. Not to mention blitz. Jump back to quoted post25 Jul 2013, 02:20 AMCombatMuffin It also has comparable frontal armor, but a much better gun. The SU-85 also arrives earlier. The P4 is much better against infantry, not to mention AA while also having ridiculously good penetration. If Su85 arrives earlier it won't be by much and is an indicator you were outplayed the first part of the game. Su85 on the field is not going to change the game much if there is no medium/heavy armor to fight. Jump back to quoted post25 Jul 2013, 02:20 AMCombatMuffin That's not the point here, however. The PIV is only an amazing tank because the Panther got nerfed. Otherwise the Panther would still take the crown home. A lot of people were against the Panther being OP (not one of them)... No its amazing because it was overbuffed and has no glaring weaknesses for the cost. Jump back to quoted post25 Jul 2013, 02:20 AMCombatMuffin eople are just chugging straightforward scenarios, when the game is anything but. Again, if you're getting into a frontal slugfest with a tank destroyer you deserve to lose. Attack from multiple angles, use smoke, truesight, bait them into Paks etc. If you're charging it with a lone tank, head on, when the Su85 is at max range + full true sight, again, you deserve to lose to a one dimensional tank destroyer. Jump back to quoted post25 Jul 2013, 02:20 AMCombatMuffin Soviets have VERY elaborate support abilities: Oorah is great to AT nade the PIV. Guard Button turns any tank into a sitting duck, if all else fails you have the Ram ability, which turns ANY tank into a sitting duck, regardless of the cost or efficiency of said tank. You have very good abilities to deal with german armor, which is why german armor needs to be strong by default. Its their army's trademark. Waaah waaah, can't attack move win anymore/can't win without strafe etc. German armor is strong and statistically better than the Soviets ing ame. Trust me, you don't want to go the historical route here. Soviets easily have more gripes on that front. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-85; The Thread25 Jul 2013, 05:28 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2013, 20:58 PMCardboard Tank And they can´t shoot back most of the time. The problem with the Su-85 is not its´ damage output or armor, but the fact that it can totally avoid being shot at . Oh, the Su85 can use smoke? It can avoid being shot if the German player is awful and has no idea how to flank or use combined arms tactics. Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2013, 20:58 PMCardboard Tank It´s reverse speed is only slightly lower than the Panzer IVs´ and Panthers´ forwards speed. Right its, lower. Which means if you attack from an angle you can catch it and with blitz you can easily get behind it. Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2013, 20:58 PMCardboard Tank Not only that but it can shoot further. Your point? It's also slower and has no rotating turret. Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2013, 20:58 PMCardboard Tank It´s totally awkward to have a unit ingame you can´t attack properly. Germans need something that can keep pace (a Pak can´t run after a Su-85 aka not very mobile) and still be able to shoot back (Panther and Panzer weirdly being totally incompetent in that role). You can attack it properly just fine, but again, stop using your highly mobile tanks as AT guns. Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2013, 20:58 PMCardboard Tank It sucks versus infantry and comes at a high cost, yet can´t shoot back at Su-85s. Except it can shoot back at Su85s and is better vs infantry than the Su85. Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2013, 20:58 PMCardboard Tank So: I pay 165 fuel 440MP on a unit that´s not supposed to counter tanks but also sucks versus infantry. Tell me what do I use it for then? Oh boo hoo, you can't attack move win with Panther spam anymore. The horror. Acting like Su85 is some god unit that can't be touched is laughable. Play better. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-85; The Thread24 Jul 2013, 19:52 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2013, 19:44 PMCardboard Tank Wrong. Most of the time I beat Panthers with Su-85 1 vs 1. Maybe against someone with god awful micro. Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2013, 19:44 PMCardboard Tank Panthers are not even getting one shot at my Su-85. There is no sense in having better damage and more health on that Panther if your tank cant hit the target; neither with the gun range nor with the reverse speed of the Su-85. As of now the only thing any Russian player will do: Hit reverse command and shoot the Panther into pieces. Not one shot huh? Show the replay of these terrible players throwing away their Panthers with little thought process and no micro. Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2013, 19:44 PMCardboard Tank Germans need something mobile and non doctrinal to shoot back. . Oh, the P4 and Panther aren't mobile now. Gotcha. Yeah when you use a Panther like an AT you deserve to lose. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: T70 needs IMMEDIATE NERF24 Jul 2013, 19:44 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2013, 18:05 PMCombatMuffin A single T34 can stop the first P4 by immoblizing it and, if you know you are going T3 will slow your SU-85's, then why not start with a tier that gives you some AT? The ZiS works wonders if the enemy tank is immobilized AND your T70 destroy any infantry trying to approach it. Aaaand a single faust can stop a T34 from ramming. T34 is the one that is immobilized and dies in a couple of seconds after a ram more often than not while the P4 limps away and gets repaired. Unless the German player overextended the Zis isn't going to finish it off with that slow rate of fire. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-85; The Thread24 Jul 2013, 19:22 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2013, 06:01 AMCombatMuffin I think the PIV is just right, as is. Hahaha, of course you do. After you conveniently ignore the fact its the best tank in the game for cost. Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2013, 06:01 AMCombatMuffin and the Panther needs to become a more powerful Tank Killer, now that the SU-85 takes that crown. Panther is already a better tank killer than Su85. In: COH2 Balance