Before we talk about numbers fielded, remember the Brummbar, Sturm Tiger, King Tiger, raktenwerfer, walking stuka, ostwind, ect. |
The USF would be much better served by the Jumbo76 than the Pershing and it would make more sense historically and gameplay wise.
1. The Americans are a SHERMAN army. The M4A3 is the base tank. The Jackson and Wolverine use the Sherman Chassis. The 105 and E8 are Shermans. The whole advantage of the Sherman and the American army in tanks was this standardization. Everything is a Sherman on some level and that greatly greatly simplified logistics. It doesn't matter if 2 armored divisions facing off both have 200 tanks. What matters is how many of those 200 tanks show up to battle and how well they can repair damaged tanks after the battle. American tanks had this huge advantage with rigid standardization.
2. The Pershing is a mediocre run of the mill heavy tank. The 90 was between a tiger and panther gun. Armor? About equal to a panther. Mobility? About equal to a tiger. This thing is generic. The Jumbo's 76mm gun was good enough to fight a tiger but it was loaded full of armor. Panther couldn't get close. It had 102mm of armor sloped at 47 degrees from the vertical, giving it between 150 and 180mm effectively. That means it can stop Panzershreks sometimes. It was made to take a TON of hits and survive.
3. It's slow. Slower than Pershing. It offers a counterbalance to the speed of the American vehicles. As a common tank, this would be terrible fitting to the faction. As a tank for 1 company, making it a rare sight, this is an excellent change of pace.
In short, it has advantages and disadvantages that make it complimentary the USF tank force, while the Pershing would be a run of the mill heavy tank stuck in there "becuz 'murrika needs heavy". It will require micro and positioning to be effective and will offer the USF a badly needed tank for pushing, while still being effective in a tank fight with the 76mm gun.
(Another commander with a 75 Jumbo would be nice too btw but I'm focused on the 76 currently and think it would be a better fit. Jumbo 75 will be pricey. Jumbo 75 and Jackson together will be a fuel nightmare)
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This is normal. Think about it. Larger squad sizes and lack of elite infantry. Axis OKW, you should take heavy infantry casualties because OKW is starved and holding on with elite units. Against OH, it should be a lot closer but they still have quality edge to your quantity edge
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That is why it's a good idea to argue.
The beta is here exactly for the sole reason of everyone crying about changes that were not needed or for perhaps implemented not in the best way.
Very true. I'm just pointing my finger at those having a meltdown over the changes |
Guys arguing, it's a fucking beta. The point is they make large controversial changes so we can test them |
I think the whole point of the last scene was that, just like Norman in the American army, the German army, even the SS, had soldiers that still had empathy on some level, had inexperienced kids, had people that didn't really want to be there (maybe they signed up to fight the Soviets) and weren't 100% evil.
Part of the point of the movie to me seemed to be that the Americans were "gooder" than the Germans but both sides had good people (Norman and the SS dude) and both sides had shitty ones (Wardaddy executing prisoner, Americans letting Germans burn from White Phosphorous) or that the brutality went both ways to some degree |
God damn those changes make my penis hard |
Well, the movie sucked when it came to literal historicalness.
But it wasn't made for us technical specification junkies. A movie where 4 tanks pick at each other from 1500 meters over the course of 90 minutes would be boring as all hell, especially to the general audience.
Yes at 800m, 1st shot wins in an E8 vs Tiger, and that means 2 E8s, with their ability to fire on the move, are going to make clockwork of that tiger (maybe losing an E8 in the process of course). But no one in the general population knows or is thinking any of that.
April 1945 is another bad historical marker. But I just pretended the movie happened in October/November 1944 at the German border and it all made sense. To someone in the general population, April 1945 might make better sense. Besides, it's a work of art (as is all film), not a literal recreation, and it's better that way. I went with 4 friends, including a highly intelligent law student and a war game junkie, none of whom knew anything about WW2 true history or tech specs or anything, and they all loved it.
The movie is centered around the impression or the feel of brutal impersonal combat in a total war scenario.
"That right there is an entire city on fire."
I give it an 8/10 overall. I enjoyed it enough to see it twice. Certified fresh in my book.
PS: Movies like this are badly needed in American culture where we (traditionally) think of war as some cool looking actiony thing and next thing we know we're spending 8 years in Iraq and droning Pakistanis. |
I like this! |
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1. Grens actually rape ass. Use some rifle nades and lmg42.
2. Volks are supposed to suck. OKW is designed to have weak early game. They fit their role as a weak stopgap infantry quite well though, especially with panzershrek and vet |