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I'm not sure about the OP idea, but I've been just recently thinking that increasing the number of doc abilities to 6 would make sense since every doc (or almost every doc) in CoH1 featured 6.

coh2 is not vcoh. its a new game and just trying to create vcoh is pointless... go play vcoh

if on the other hand relic decided that 6 commander abilities instead of 5 added content and fun to the game, then roger

but lets cut the "coh1 did it so lets blindly follow" robot mindset

Not really. The KV-8 needs 4CP, the timing of which suprisingly falls together with the first PzIV. That's assuming the Soviet didn't tech and is still on tent. Since there is absolutely no reason not to spam PzIV as Ostheer, the best the KV-8 can attempt to do is a baserape.

as the kv8 is heavy armor a panzer4 will get plenty of deflections off its armor as I experience every time even hitting side armor.

A faust is not guaranteed to work after the nerf, which is alright as I like those changes overall, but the kv8 received a significant buff from this due to its solid speed. Mot to mention the sheer DPS will eat the gren/pgrens with shrecks alive before they can do almost anything...god help you if they started at less than full health.

I've seen a kv8 roll over a teller mine and receive no damage, let alone engine damage fuuuuuuuu

The flamethrower range is almost as long as rifle and shoots across half the screen almost casually. By comparison the squishy flamer halftrack has to get up close which is countered by AT nades or guards.

Basically similar to the t-70 the kv8 is imbalanced from its low cost (for a heavy tank of all things) combined with its solid armor, speed, and amazing dps. Its a cheese unit that unless it hits a mine and gets engine damaged straight in the field of fire of some supported ATG, the tank will take forever to kill.

Whats important to remember is that units dont exist in a vacuum. 4CP for a heavy coming out at the same time as a panzer4 doesnt address the fact that a smart soviet player will have zis/guards/at nades/an army? to conduct combined arms with the tank. The tank just provides too much benefit for its current cost and availability.'

But in the end its just another soviet unit that dominates the battlefield and forces the german player to react specifically to a single unit (t70, kv8, su85, sniper spam, etc etc)

COH2 is not vcoh and merely porting old maps as nostalgic stop gap measures is not meeting the needs of a competitive game with new factions. The soviets are not the americans, etc etc, and what worked for vcoh does not automatically work for coh2. Adjustments to the maps for the sake of gameplay, balance, and fun must be made to keep these old classics alive and competitive in a new game.

I propose that Langreslaya be rebalanced and updated for fair play while retaining the overall flow and style of the map.

Current Balance issues:
Overall the player spawning on the top regardless of faction is at a disadvantage when compared to the southern start.

1. Northern cutoff is significantly easier to harass than the south.
2. Southern base location allow for much easier force projection onto the southernmost two strategic points and the cutoff which make retention of these points difficult.
3. The eastern munitions and fuel are the key battleground of the map as they are the shortest routes between the two bases and open terrain.
4. The unit spawns and overall flow of the map/hedgerows encourage the southern player to capture his own high value points and move on aggressively against the north. The northern player has to start very defensively and is unable to both harass the enemy fuel while capping his own in relative safety.
5. The left side is compact and full of vision blockers compared to the wide open right fuel and munitions.
6. There is no reason for a stratetic point in the top left of the map where there is no action. The point is also covered by a static base MG which is poor map design.

And so on.

Proposal
My vision for this map is symmetrical play for both starts more akin to angoville from vcoh by shifting the course of the center road and eastern points. The map will retain its small size, same quantity of resources, bisecting hedgerows, and low building count.

1. Both spawns will now be set for exactly opposite corners instead of the northern player having an uncontested point to his west. Both bases are farther from the cutoff points while unit spawn points generally stay the same. This is to make it somewhat harder to project force from within your base sector, especially in the south.

2. The primary road will take a more northerly course between the bases. The center VP will sit in the middle of the road and hedgerow openings similar to the southern VP on Kholdny summer or center VP angoville.

3. The eastern half of the map has been completely readjusted to accommodate a fairer cutoff scheme.

4. The fuel points are both equally defensible and away from the main battle flow. They will require a concerted harassment effort similar to the current western langreskaya fuel point.


Rough sketch:


Existing map layout for comparison:


What are your thoughts?

GG to CCARTs03, wp!

Panzers battle 6 T34/85s (upgunned) on minsk while infantry on both sides feed the meat grinder to try and prevent the vps from capping out on a close game

CCArtS03 runs an interesting guards heavy strat with call-ins for his armor. He has a t2 building and one ZIS could have changed this game...

I cant wait to watch this replay to see the action and drama of you dropping a game