Profile of iTzDusty

1) Maybe if you tried using them as long range units with a buffer inbetween or in cover, you would recognize their value in long range combat. Don't charge the enemy with them. Flank, use them to support...

1.1) Just merge them with conscripts, you can keep up dishing out DPS while your foe has to retreat. Unless he can reinforce via HT or Bunker.

2) Because it makes them flexible. After a good flank, they can blow Jerry to hell.

Sure, the unit design may not be as straight forward or clear to some, as in shocktroops or guards. But they can have their place if included in your overall strategy. You don't have to use them if they don't suit your playstyle.

1. Any strat using penals that has to rely on conscripts is ineffective, considering the need to tech for molotovs/AT nades to make the unit half decent. Also keep at range but flank? Choose one.

1.1 Merged models don't get SVTs, so that apparent high DPS that can somehow take out G43s Grens (Really, try Penals sometime, they can't) isn't happening with merge.

Regardless, it is completely obvious that Penals are an overpriced, underperforming unit. I've been playing with them solely for the past two weeks daily, and you either give up a ridiculous amount of map control, or you rely on a similarly underpowered Partisan doctrine, you are at a severe disadvantage using Penals instead of typical PPSH conscript spam.

As much as I agree with some of the qualms here, it seems that the recent outcry over the ability is because of Advanced Warfare and its stupidly good overall abilities. Nerfing this directly affects already sub-par commanders, such as NKVD and Partisans (please, don't nerf my partisans ). If radio intercept stayed in its current form, but was removed from strong commanders like Advanced Warfare, I don't think there would be that much of a problem.

Just read about 8 pages, heres my two cents.

Toxicity in the streaming community? I don't see it. By no means am I a big caster, but I've had positive interactions with a lot of other streamers like JaminRock, Siberian, HelpingHans, and NorthWestFresh. Apart from the incidents back at launch that we all know of, I haven't seen any animosity, and especially no shit talking between any of the mentioned streamers, ever.

I can appreciate the tips on short content. It's a nice tip for fledgling streamers to get some exposure (see: Sib's highlights on coh2.org like the "Mancum" stuff).

I just want to add my thoughts on the whole DLC business. I really appreciate Noun for finally addressing it on some level. Nothing irritates me more than having seen absolutely zero comments from developers on our gripes with DLC. I understand the SEGA influence, I understand the NEED for P2W commanders. The only recommendation I'd like to make on future premium commanders is to keep them more like the Partisan commander. That is, not inherently broken, but super fun to play. Having my friend purchase that commander for me has led to me streaming almost daily about how much fun I am having with Partisans. Commanders like Soviet Industry and Elite Troops, which destabilize the game immensely, should be refrained from in the future. Though, I know SEGA has the ultimate say, so I can't really blame Relic too much.

Overall, CoH 2 is in a dangerous state. Player counts are low, twitch viewers are paltry, and more people are leaving due to DLC. Like others have said, ask me 5 years ago what I thought about CoH, and I would argue to the death about how it is the best game of all time. Ask me today, and I'll be hesitant to speak positively of it.

Regardless, thanks Noun for addressing our complaints. In the past I've really directed my anger toward you for walking around what I perceived to be big problems, but your honesty in this thread is commendable. I hope the team at Relic keeps up this higher level of community interaction, rather than letting our anger fester among ourselves in the community.