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Remove both moscows from 2v2, add one veto and we are probably good.

For 1s remove kholodny winter, semois summer, Minsk pocket and we are probably good to go. Just veto Kharkov, semois winter (way too big for 1s). Oh remove la gleize from 1s too.

With all due respect to the creator of the map... it was an extremely un-fun experience to play.

Mud in so many important areas was goofy. Fences in really vital spots near cutoffs to screw up pathing or force constant vaulting was goofy. Too much different height terrain was goofy. Too many large structures blocking vision was goofy, too many choke points/areas where units clump up was goofy.

The map is pretty but... poorly designed for playing at the moment.

Just a shame Relic shoves these maps down our throats. We should be able to turn off automatching into community maps if we want.

The patch will be a nerf to Brits? The faction who is missing ALL offensive and defensive vet bonuses on their primary infantry unit? And their engineer unit? And who's anvil upgrade is lost?

That's some good logic though.

At least Brits and USF have double LMG squads to crutch on. Cons can't do the same thing.

Unless I am mistaken for Ost the following units get received accuracy through vet:
Grens, mechanized lmg grens, PGrens, ostruppen, storm troopers, and the artillery officer (lol who uses this unit?) meaning Cons are underperforming against all of these units plus lack a relevant weapon upgrade.

The following OKW units gain received accuracy through vet:
Sturms, Volks, Obers, Jli, falls, ISG, Mg34, Fusiliers.

Looking at the math: Gren increased accuracy is enough to effectively negate con received accuracy through vet while Con increased outgoing accuracy MORE than compensates for the bonus received accuracy grens receive through vet. This means that as the game progresses with both squads at vet 3 cons should be doing MORE damage than when both squads are at vet 0 but right now it's less. Grens should do roughly the same to Cons when both are vet 3 as when both are vet0; their primary damage increase should come from the lmg.

But again it is a matter of lacking a weapon upgrade to crutch on. Sadly LMGs are going to be even more disgustingly overpowered after the patch.

Hope this post made sense

not really. they still keep their recieved accuracy modifiers.

Yes it does. They lose their bonus accuracy which would help their dps scale as other squads gain received accuracy bonuses (Which do stick) through vet. The sad fact is that as the game progresses cons will be doing LESS dps overall while also not having a weapon upgrade to crutch on.

Yikes.

Also explains part of the reason that Penals are so garbage. Losing out on 60% bonus accuracy... That seems like a lot.

The Vickers can only self spot if you recrew it with Tommies that have been upgraded with Pyrotechnics supplies. However:
- You will be paying a 35MP reinforcement cost on the crew (Tommies will use their old reinforcement cost due to a bug)
- Pyrotechnics supplies suffers from the same woes that offensive veterancy does; only the initial models receive upgraded sight

Having said, that, I agree with everything you said, except for one thing; How can the lengthier burst of the Vickers ever be considered as an advantage (and not a disadvantage):
- Even with the burst length factored, Vickers definitely deals less suppression per unit of time
- Longer burst length means that the enemy can dive out-of-sight/in cover during your burst, and thus receive less suppression/damage

Sure, if the burst length of the MG42 and the Vickers were equal, the Vickers would be even worse. However, what did you have in mind?

The vickers should always be able to self spot in a garrison at vet 1 but I thought it has more natural line of sight as well? I may be remembering wrong or this was something changed in the old Brit alpha. Maybe some one could dig up the stats for us? I'm not at home.

As for the longer bursts I feel like the vickers spends a lot more time shooting and a lot less time reloading. Once a unit gets suppressed it is effectively stuck in the arc in most cases anyways. Always feels like my Vickers do a lot more damage than my MG42s even though I love using both units.