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I'm curious, why in your mind is that a petty thing to mandate? The issue is OKW doesnt have caches right? But they do have another resource income ability that is a bit micro intensive but pretty useful, especially team games. Why should OKW be redesigned to have no resource penalties, given caches that breaks your favored asymmetric balance paradigm, while also keeping salvage? Just because you want it?

What I'm getting at is this game fosters these unproductive arguments around balance because the WFA were so poorly designed from the jump and because of this, you feel the need to protect your favorite mechanics or unique items instead of just saying "you know what we should all have caches because its a basic mechanic at the core of the game and that would also mean we shouldnt additional resource bonuses other factions do becuase its a basic mechanic at the core of the game."

You seem to understand the first part well, "we need this because its core game mechanic" but you're not understanding the second part so well, especially considering balance is a give and take, but youre not a huge fan of the take part.

Then go ahead and remove it, if you care so much about that particular ability. Salvage isnt a core part of OKW, and it being gone isnt going to cause a particularly big change in their efficacy, not when compared to having caches.

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At minimum schwerer would have to go, being able to plant your schwerer and then build cache under its protection would be problematic on map where you can already put your schwerer close to your base, protecting the cutoff and some of your mun/fuel/VP. Then their premium tanks would have to be toned down to non-premium level because their highest price and no-cache balance out their superior power out of the box. We already see how it goes on large teamgame and we don't want the same on small scale games. So Pz4 to be aligned to Ostheer's one and Panther pushed further back in a new tech level or even made doctrinal.

Vet5 should also go because and all benefices given with taken out. HMG34 and rak could also left the HQ and join OKW tiers, no reason anymore to have easy access to tools to maintain you field presence at cost of not being able to build caches.

And so on etc...

I'm not really following the argument for the Schwerer. It can't stop an AT gun or a Tank or whatever from destroying a cache. It's already not something you particularly see

You usually can't afford to have the Schwerer too forward, in any case, because losing the thing (Which isnt hard, some callin abilities are guaranteed to kill it) is absolutely crippling.

OKW tanks (The P4 is the only one) are already balanced for their better out-of-the-box performance by being more expensive, as you say. Though the Panther is the same between the factions, in ability and cost. (Other than "Blitzkrieg tactics" vs "Combat Blitz", and the OKW panther's vet 4 and 5)

I'm not really seeing what the HMG34 and Rak being in the HQ has to do with Caches, by the way.

Why is no resource cache not viewed as asymmetric balance? I keep asking for more non doc tools for USF as well but keep being told its asymmetric balance. In fact, like you said, OKW no longer has the original design they did on wfa release, resource starved, late war faction. So if thats not the case anymore, isnt that more support evidence they dont need caches?

Why does any faction need Caches, in that case?

It isnt considered "Asymmetrical balance", as they can still benefit from an OST teammate's caches, the only thing it does is put additional strain on OSTheer teammates, inexplicably punish "all OKW" teams in a way that literally no other mono-faction team is, and mean OKW has nothing at all to spend excess MP on.

They didn't have Caches, in part, because they originally had a really poorly designed resource-diversion mechanic that let them convert between Muni and Fuel.

There's nothing inherent in the faction that corresponds to their lack of Caches, in most cases Salvage is primarily a tool to delete team weapons and wrecks (Both of which are done equally well by other factions simply using an AT gun), not really one that provides more than an incredibly negligible amount of resources. If you'd like to argue they should lose Salvage in order to gain Caches, fine, though it's a bit of a petty thing to mandate.


"In fact, like you said, OKW no longer has the original design they did on wfa release, resource starved, late war faction. So if thats not the case anymore, isnt that more support evidence they dont need caches?" is perhaps the least logical shitpost I've read in a while, by the way. The conclusion simply doesn't follow the "argument". "They're no longer resource starved so they should have less access to resources than other factions"

2- Putting sandbag on Volks and Tommies behind vet1.
3- Putting sandbag on volks and Tommies behind tech tree.

But not Conscripts?

The redesign would have:
221 with lower DPS with bonus damage vs sniper high penetrations. Role a counter sniper and soft counter micro lights.

222 higher cost and durability 20cm now a anti light tank gun. Role soft counter to light tanks.

The 222 already fulfils that first role, however, while also being quite good at fighting infantry. OST also have their own sniper for countersniping... I'm just really not seeing why this is necessary.