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There's a big berm on the south that makes the pathing much longer than it looks. |
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I like to go: gren gren gren mg. I find that grens stand up to conscripts much better than volks did against rifles in vcoh, so the MG is not as essential in the early game.
If I see some heavy clown car or sniper use, I get T2. If not I get a couple more grens while I save up to go straight to T3 to get a P4. If by this point, I don't see any Soviet T3 units, I backtech to T2 right away in anticipation of the Su85, and get AT guns and shrecked Pgrens. |
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I've never even touched the single player on this game. and I've done like maybe the first two missions in vcoh.
I just don't see the point in playing a scripted game against a boring computer incapable of rational thought. |
Stugs are not proving effective enough vs SU85s, imo.
Conscripts are not proving effecting enough vs Ostwinds.
FIX IT RELIC!@!~!!!! |
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The biggest issue with the russian sniper is not so much the unit itself, but the fact that they're firing on 4-man german squads as opposed to 6-man russian squads. 2 snipers means insta-retreat for the germans. Also the fact that they are 2-man squads only makes the issue worse.
I think one solution could be that when one of the crew members in the russian sniper is killed, there's a long (5-6 sec) delay before it can shoot again. That way, rushing it is no longer a dicey affair, as killing one member should hopefully force a retreat. |
i think people have forgotten about combined arms.
Bingo. T4 on both sides only have very specialized units. Anybody that spams any unit from T4 is just asking to get clobbered by combined arms. |
If the soviet player is spamming SUs and has strong infantry (vet 3 in late game, PPSH-41, etc.) one or two Paks wont stop them. You can't use the Ostwind because 3 (or more) SUs are in its way, the infantry flanks the Pak and kills it with Molotovs and so it's pointless to attack with Grens.
If he has that many strong infantry units and that many Su85's, that means you fucked up and lost the resource war, or lost too many units earlier in the game. Otherwise, you should have your own mass of strong vetted infantry and mix of good units to fight him. |
A smart suggestion made earlier (forgot who) about how to fix the P4 if the Dev's wont revert the scatter nerf: Buff the MG upgrade across all tanks. And don't just give it the placebo effect of "increased suppression" (which is so weak it's not useful). It needs to kill. Give it either a big accuracy boost, a rate of fire increase, or DMG increase, or some mix of the three. It's the smartest solution. It would help with the Stug as well.
The German meta is heavy T1/T2 mix, skip T3 entirely, hold out for T4. Right now, the SU-85 makes the entire T3 building obsolete. Pre-patch, T3 building was useful only because the P4 could adequately deal with the soviet hoards and, unlike the Ostwind, potentially dispatch an Su85 (potentially). While the P4 is still able to potentially dispatch an Su85 it can't/isn't handling infantry worth a damn.
Anyone doing the risk/reward math sees there's no reason to build T3 building in the current state.
Maybe for you it is, but I love german T3, it's very solid all-around. Just don't rely on it solely to beat the Su85. P4's and Ostwinds handles almost every other Soviet unit quite well. If you see heavy Su85 use, backtech to T2 to get AT guns and Pgrens, and eventually get an elefant or pak43. Ostheer is flexible like that Peter has said before that they are built to be able to back tech easily. Backteching is super cheap for Ostheer, and the building goes up pretty fast too. |
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People need to quit bitching about the Su85. Yes, it's a bit OP, but its not the end of the world. Stop throwing tanks at it hoping for a different outcome. That's the definition of insanity. The Su85 isn't an all-world beater. It's utterly hopeless against infantry, so if you see your opponent spamming Su85's, starting building shrecked Pgrens and AT guns. |
http://www.coh2.org/replays/6043/t1-t3-t2-backteching
Here's an example.
With P4's on the field, there's no way the Soviet player can afford build a Kat or an Su76. The idea behind this strat is to take advantage of the fact that the only reliable counter to a quick P4 is the Su85. Force his hand into building one, and have the counter ready once it comes out. Ofcourse, I'm no expert, and I lucked out when the other player went T3 first, but I'm curious on more expert's take on this. |
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