Fallschirmjager from COH1
Just gonna leave this here.
http://www.xfire.com/video/45bbca |
The SU-85 needs to be toned, but in such a way that overall Soviet AT is still up to par of killing power. I'd advise any Osteer only players who feel the SU-85 is overpowered to play Soviet games with no T4, enjoy your AT options. |
Let's take a moment and remember M8s didn't run units over. |
Those infantry snipes should never happen. Having to retreat PG's at 2 men to avoid losing shrecks is ridicolous when the SU-85 snipes them so often, at least that's how it seems.
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Hahah "Maxim High Value" You'd literally have to kill 24 of them to break even on Sniper cost. |
Not to feed the flames but if low scatter results in higher accuracy (Such as 1 on the Brumbar) i wonder how efficient attack ground on SU-85s against Infantry is. |
I'm still at a loss why such a fragile unit (The Pak) has been left untouched for so long, there ineffective against fast vehicles and SU-85s see them before they set up. What the hell are they for? |
Look i'm not saying anyone is building SU-85's to counter Infantry. From my varied experience of playing Osteer & Soviets to various degrees I find it highly unfair that the BEST ANTI TANK UNIT in the game will also kill the only hard counter to it (Panzershrecks). In no situation should it be able to do this.
Also your SU-85 vs MG42 situation I imagine your SU-85 was at max range, generally when your rushed by Panzergrens the distance is vastly reduced and as such your SU-85 should have more accuracy. |
Regardless of his ability to play the game, SU-85s have a very nasty habit of sniping Infantry at all ranges. In fact I had a situation where I lost an entire Panzergren Squad (Shrecked) to one single shell. Another situation in the same game 4 Pioneers dead in 4 shots, one on retreat. They do snipe Infantry and if you don't believe they do you obviously have no experience playing Osteer. |
I've been saying this for weeks, I'm glad people are finally seeing that the SU-85 is an end of game unit that is just too powerful. At least the ISU has a relative cost for it's power.
I think what needs to happen is SU-76s get an all around buff to damage/penetration whilst remaining glass cannons, SU-85s can remain a good TD by being something similar to a better stug. Perhaps even allow an expensive upgrade to single T34's to the 85 variant (This needs to be expensive if it's munitions.)
What I don't want to see is the SU-85 get nerfed and Soviets have no real anti tank late game, this wouldn't be fun for anyone. It needs to happen though, the SU-85 as of current is far far too powerful for it's cost. |