Profile of Hannibal

Agree wholeheartedly.

Fortunately we have the chat.
The first hour is just chat with the opponents.



As for how the game went, i don't know the 4v4 meta or how people play so i will just describe what i see.

Red ball Express

OP is on south spawn right side. He goes to that lane and camps it.
2 MG, 3 Motars, Zis, FHQ, Field HQ on first 6 mins of game.
Till 16 mins, the units outside engineers building mines or tech, literally didn't move. First action was to orientate 2 AT guns towards the middle of the map as enemies brought vehicles and forced the mortars to move back.
First interaction with anything outside the right sector was at min 21 when a Katyusha decides to barrage from mid.
Not sure how "normal" is to float 1800mp on these gamemodes while the rest are bleeding.
First "heavy action" was at min 26 when you are able to pull a KV2. CPs are a somehow good metric on how active you are. He is at 11 CP. His side partner is at 19CP while the average on all other 6 players is 14/15CP.
Since that first barrage on the Kat, it didn't move till this point.
At around 30ish minutes he is more active. Basically move Kv2 forward, get hit, pull back repair. Fire some Katy barrages, get his simcity offmap barrage and rebuild Field HQ. Best Maxim job ever. Been since the beginning of the game, barely moved at all, 25% xp and no kills no deaths.
Fast forward to 49 mins. Almost 2.4K mp banked. Cause the only thing that happens is, 2 Katyushas barraging. Moving 2 Zis back and forth and attacking with a KV2. Rest is "defending" right side. KV2 dies, insta recall.
55mins. 2.4K mp, 1K muni, 700f. After losing a Zis gun, insta queue building 3 of them for a total of 4
1H04mins, basically went down to 200mp by constantly rebuilding more Zis guns every time you lose each of them to artillery.
PG taking a point, better barrage with all 4 Zis XD
1H08m your team had the VP lead. You proceed to send all your units back to HQ to afk and force the lose.
1H12m team loses.

Reminder before reading: OP was in the lane against a bot for most of the match, so ha portion of his stats go towards the bot.

I'd just add though:
His K/D is absolutely alright for SOV, damage was second highest and close to the first (but see note with the bot though).
To the static gameplay: OP played without main line infantry as far as aI could tell. 2-3 mortars, two maxims that where basically doing nothing and just camping the victory point. They did not have any fights because the bot it too stupid to properly attack and the Axis focused on the other two VPs. Something between 2-4 ATGs. I'm not too familiar with 4v4 builds, but this is a strange build. Still, if you play with randoms you should not be too mad about people like this.
His mortars where doing a decent job and in position, firing often. He was also often pushing with his ATGs and got quite a few kills (two ATGs had 4 vehicle kills and 5 infantry kills sometime in the mid game, although again there were probably at least 2 bot vehicles in there). Mortars and ATGs were vetted alright. OP also had a Katy (did not track it, but I remember it firing at least twice I think) and two KV2s, the first one did alright-ish, did not track the second one much. Can't remember other units, maybe there were some. He was floating a lot of MP and also MUN at the end.

I'd say OP does not play on the same skill level as Sturmpanther and Käsezwerg (weird build, overall reacting somewhat slower and not maxing the potential of his units as much), but if you're that sensitive about not playing with people worse than you don't play random matches. OP did an okay job and tried to support, I think it's just lack of micro.

So the only question that remains for me is:
Is going afk after being (lightly) flamed in the context of a basically lost game worth a two week ban? It's not okay to do this, but my gut feeling says it's also not ban worthy.

I think it depends on how its stacking. Multiplicative stacking would a bit different than additive, for example:

100% (default cap rate) x 125% (T4) x 200% (counter-attack) = 2.5 capture speed
1.00 (default cap rate) + 0.25 (T4) + 1.00 (counter-attack) = 2.25 capture speed

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Either way, elchino7 could end up being right.

I stayed unspecific there for exactly this reason. But in the end it does not matter how exactly it is calculated. Just if it can be abused in game.

But we'll see. I like the general idea

From my testing, it appears to stack with other bonuses, like counterattack tactics.

Thanks for the tests.
I mean the synergy is fine, but both added together could potentially cause issues. However, this is an easy fix and I'm sure balance team is monitoring

+1

just dont like the way in this games TD mechanics and try to come up with the solution. Thinking loud nothing more.

Don't mind too much about some users that have replied to this thread, many are just trolling.

I don't know which size of games you talk about. Balance mostly refers to 1v1 and 2v2. Larger modes are hard to balance since they mostly rely on the skill of your random mates and just blobbing at the right time. Many of the cores game mechanics don't work properly (flanking becomes more and more irrelevant since the unit density increases extremely) and arty fares way better the larger the mode is.

Balancing according to team games is therefore hard to do, you either screw small or large game modes. Small modes however are less prone to RNG and fit the games overall design better, so that's why balance team usually only uses 1v1 and 2v2 as a reference.

There are very few tweaks that you can do to adjust team games without altering the balance in small modes too much (mostly pop cost adjustments), but I doubt that this would "fix" the Tiger.

It not semantics it is of essence. Some light vehicles can be killed be small arm fire, most light tanks can not, these vehicle are of different category. One is forced to invest into anti vehicle counters vs light Tanks.


And this is the point. T-70 should cost less and be less lethal. If that means that OKW T2 should also be timed later so bit it.


Again is more about Ostheer than OKW


So lets tone down these power spikes and improve the game.

Let's not argue about semantics. If people talked about the LV phase the T70 was always included, and while you might make a difference between these units, the majority of the forum does not.

I don't see the point why the T70 should be changed (I'd even argue it would be an overall nerf regarding SOV faction composition) and why OKW T2 should be delayed. Both does not make sense. OKW T2 comes at a perfectly fine timing. If people come to the conclusion that something has to be done about the T70, then be it. But at the moment I am not convinced that the issue is that huge.

Also in general power spikes are important to keep the battle flowing. Of course it should not be so severe that this unit wins the game for you, but if every factions techs to about the same power level at the same time there is no use in teching at all from a design point of view.
To get back to the T70: T70 is fine against OKW, the respective OKW power level at the time the T70 comes out is fine for all three Allied factions. The only setup where I can see potential trouble is OST. So just give OST better tools to deal with a T70. Otherwise it would likely mean that all other factions need to be rebalanced. Of course this assumes that the T70 is atm fine for it's cost and timing (which I think it is)