thanks Australian.
First off, centaur survivability never changed. Since it was OP before, its survivability was a non-issue quite obviously. After the nerf it's still better than the ostwind. Yet ostwind is "fine" but centaur "useless". Because survivability. Which was not changed and wasn't an issue earlier. Yep makes sense.
there's a saying "the best defensive is a good offense". centaur survivability was not an issue previously because the tank was wiping infantry in seconds. The jackson is an extreme case of where a unit's firepower and mobility excuse its fragility. |
Thread: Luchs12 Dec 2015, 09:15 AM
But he's right, the 57mm AT Gun fires faster than the Pak 40 with the same damage, and the lower penetration doesn't matter because it's still higher than the Luch's armour. Remember how nobody likes to use the T-70 because the old Pak 40 would kill it way too quickly? That's what the 57mm would do to a 320HP Luchs.
the USF 57mm is less accurate than the pak40. |
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I would prefer the new OKW if it got nerfed a good deal bit more. |
Thread: Luchs12 Dec 2015, 02:14 AM
thats why i said vet 1 sturms. its also very annoying because sometimes your sturms wont be at base to heal your troops, and if you lose those sturms you have to get a new set to vet 1.
going mechanical first cause you to lose healing, until you get the medical truck up.
It's not like the USF where their anti-tank option are crap until you get a jackson. The raketenwerfer and the puma are both excellent at anti-tank duty. I will argue that an okw who went medical and mechanical are in a far better position than a USF who went lt+captain. |
How about pricing units according to their performance?
there's more to balance then just pricing units according to their performance. I don't think the okw need an amazing pz4 given his other option.
Do the okw really need a medium tank that's on par with the advanced medium tank of the sov and USF? How about just giving them an "average" medium tank with an "average" price? |
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how about not giving the OKW the best heavy tank(KT), the best anti-infantry light tank (pz2), the best light tank hunter (puma), the best tank destroyer(jpz4), the best tank hunter(panther), and the best medium tank(pz4) as well?
the okw pz4 j should have gotten a nerf instead of a price increase. |
the reason why people think the centaur is "useless", is because they still remember the times when it one shot everything that wasn't a tank before you could retreat. and if that is what we're measuring against, then yes, it's worse.
but if you compare it to the ostwind, like here, you will see that it is still very good against infantry (also keep in mind that the centaur fights 4/5 man squads, while the ostwind can also face 6 man squads.
Saying the Centaur is useless while claiming the Ostwind is fine does seem a bit biased.
mobility is key for survival.
what does that make the centaur, one of the slowest unit in the game?
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Thread: Luchs11 Dec 2015, 05:45 AM
I really want to say that it's not power creep, but at the same time I feel that there aren't many things vanilla factions do that WFA factions don't do better and/or cheaper. But that's just me.
it is pretty much power creep. The t70 just never got a hp increase because the 45mm is death against infantry. |
It's still fast enough to chase down retreating infantry and annihilate them. Ostwind can chase you all the way back to base before it will wipe a squad.
centuar max speed = 4.6
ostwind max speed = 6.3
infantry speed on retreat = 5.0
the centuar is factually slower than a retreating infantry, and a 1.6 difference is quite a bit.
The centuar and ostwind also kill models at the same rate. The centuar have the benefit of consistentce and generally more fragile german infantry.
Ostwind have a better AOE that allow it kill/damage multiple model at the same time. |
If you compare the Ostwind to the centaur, they both have the same fuel cost but the centaur is far better. I think the Ostwind needs to be brought in line with other AI vehicles. The only other stock anti infantry vehicle Ostheer has is the Brummbar, which while good, is in a much later tier. Since Ostheer has no decent AI light vehicle like the Soviets, USF, and OKW have, this medium AI tank should be buffed to fill the missing role.
don't just ignore the mp cost. The centaur cost 40 mp more and is significantly slower. |
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