youre social skills mate... shit..
i'm as nice as how you treat me. same as everyone else. |
it's not actually. i dont know where you are from but there is a such thing called 'multiculturalism' in modern age.
anyway, if you agree with what i said, what is the point of this topic? i forgot how it all started out but after the first few posts this thread became ppl saying they miss how the old stugs were, which corresponded with the stugs in their wet dreams, and the other ppl saying what they really are and do, whilst most from both group of ppl agreeing that stugs are good.
in that case you need to work on your reading comprehension. it's hard at first but keep at it you'll get there. trust me it'll pay off when you can actually understand what people are posting.
i guess you're having a hard time understanding that mostly everything's been resolved. i think it's people like you who don't get it that continue to post. all i do is respond or disagree.
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i always liked stug more than su85. i guess we can trade? oh wait, preferences don't really matter when it comes to balance.
im sure soviet players always wanted an at tank with turret and german players wanted cheap soviet mines but oh well i guess balance comes first.
no shit. is english not your first language? or did you not read any of my other posts from the last 3 pages. i think that would be a good idea being on a forum and all. |
I really thought it was stuGG, sorry omg.
Sorry I said ̈owesome instead of awesome.
Please forgive me.
E: Grammar Nazi, please look into your own posts first, they are from a pretty low level.
If you come up with something constructive, you can always correct and pick on me.
Thanks
oh you mean like those troll posts you love making? that's very high quality stuff. right outta 4chan. and you're staff too? this place has top of the line standards. such cool hip internet boys runnin thangs.
yo i think you forgot the obligatory wacky animated gif better go edit that in.
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E: still never got back to me on that anime thing. |
Survivability against AT guns of stug and SU-85 is pretty much the same.
Less health is "compensated" by ZiS firing much slower, giving you pretty much the same time to react and retreat.
And there is still 40fu difference in advantage of StuG.
There is absoolutely nothing wrong with StuG, if anything, its probably too strong for the price, but thats not my own opinion, its top german players opinion.
oh i understood that perfectly and explained why that doesn't matter. most of the time an at gun will get one shot off before either unit moves out of range. that's just my experience though. what point did i miss now?
that 40fu difference comes at the cost of better survivability and better AT capabilities. it's what i prefer. i'd rather have other units dealing with infantry.
other than my first post i never said there was anything wrong with it, i said i don't like its new role and i prefer the previous TD version. i've said it many times throughout the thread. |
stugs are fucking crazy good now.
Much better than they were last patch.
hey man thats cool you like them. you mentioned this like 3 times already i think i understand your position. |
I don't think you could get even further from my point...
which is..?
katitties don't leave me hangin buddy i wanna understand you. |
That way more health translates to 1 more tank/pak shot and since by the time ZiS fires 3 shots, Pak will fire 4, the survivability against those isn't really different and fuel difference is 40.
This is greater then between T70 and T34.
who would let their su-85 take 4 pak shots? if it takes one i back up immediately. 1 more tank shot is a lot when it comes to maneuvering out of a flank. they usually happen real fast and the more time i can have the better. totally worth the extra resources imo. |
Love the new stug. Knowing how to micro an su85 pre-april patch against flanking tanks translate well to stug microing. It's especially rewarding towards unsuspecting infantry that think stug is ineffective at AI. It's AT can still penetrate against Sov tanks as well.
ehhh not quite. the su-85 has way more health so its easier to manage. |
+1.
This ain't the only unit they messed up. P IV is ridiculous now (have you seen its AI performance? It's pathetic. And against tanks its performance is even lower) and the panther is bugged not having the proper AP.
So what am I supposed to use, now when soviet tanks are better? They should not have nerfed german armor, they should have just buffed the soviet one, or the other way around. Nerfing german armor while buffing the soviet armor cannot lead but to an unbalanced result. Which is what we have now.
In short:
- Stug is no more a self-propelled AT gun, now is something between a horse and a mule ("good" on infantry meaning that it has a chance to kill a couple of models from a...oh yes.. 6 men squad, while its AT performances decreased considerable compared to what soviet armor is in present) - to those saying "so what"? please read on internet sources what Stug III G used to be; I am not delighted by the cost decrease like others, I prefer to have a fair price for something I can use instead having a small price for a shit.
- P4 and Panther as said above adding the fact that Panther is currently an expensive bad idea.
- Didn't use tiger call-in yet so I don't know if they messed up this unit too. Even if they didn't, now tiger comes at a tone of CPs and Elefant too. So virtually when you have the proper units to stop the soviet armor avalanche, the game is potentially lost.
Some of you will say "use combined arms", use combos like P4 + ostwind, stug + tiger, and others in order to have a well rounded force. May I ask you then why only german faction needs to use combined arms while soviet one needs just spamming?. They spammed cons or maxims before. Then for a while no spamming would work and they needed to use combined arms and crying all day on forums. All this crying paid off and now they can spam more cons, maxims AND T34s with no control. For what a T34 does, the price is to low, believe me.
From what I saw, the only chance to win against soviets this patch in 2v2 and 3v3 is to deny their fuel as much as possible in order to prevent early or mass tank production. In a balanced situation (1 fuel point at german team, 1 fuel point at the soviet team, at an equal number of caches) german team will most probably lose because of the unbalanced tank solutions.
Now feel free to soviet troll or call me a nazi fanboy whatever. Actually these official forums are so full of disguised soviet fanboys that are making me sick.
i don't think they messed it up, it just has slightly a different role now. i don't like it but its not a big deal. |
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