Profile of Imperial Dane

Well i am pretty sure you can get the community to help you with that

Well interesting map, so far i gave it a quick whirl against an AI just to get a feel for it. It has the Semois feel, but a bit more roomy, interesting points and cutoffs and not so easy to lock down the other player.

@Naeras:

Regarding Bo1: Yes with mirror matches you could, but so could he and you'd still be in the exact same dreadful situation you just mentioned. Either way, mirror matches won't solve anything.

And what you're afterwards stating just pretty much points out that a Bo1 is then silly because no matter what, someone good could get knocked out by a worse off player. Which returns us to the Bo3 and in which case. again, mirror matches won't do diddly and again, we can just focus on having a proper matchup where players can then display mastery of two armies rather than just a mimicry of that by specializing in one.

@DanielID: I'd be very curious to know what you define as skill and how you then proceed to argue that most of the top level players who master several armies are without skill.

Hmm. I dunno, in some cases i just don't even watch if there is a camera. I just find it rather jars with the entire experience.

I was watching both, and I was not seeing a majority that was against mirrors. I was seeing a vocal bunch that more often than not consisted of players who hadn't tried the alpha yet. They were pretty consistently countered equally by others, like myself.

Really ? Fascinating, so you don't call people who appear from lurking or just sign up for the forum just to point out that they are against Mirror matches itself for a majority, but merely a vocal bunch ? Generally the Pro-mirror match people seemed in the minority overall. Nor did they soundly counter any arguments. Largely it came down to what you then proceed to do in your current post.

Referring to CoH 2 as a game, versus a simulation, is a valid point in my opinion. Multiplayer makes use of units that hardly saw enough production to really put them on the frontline in significant numbers. Soldiers don't go and fire at each other while standing or kneeling for 15-20 seconds without killing a whole squad. V2 rockets weren't wasted on clusters of infantry. I never heard of propaganda leaflets that sent hardened soldiers running back to base. etc. etc.

What you're doing, and what pretty much all the others for Mirror match did was go for the jugular of the straw man. You're not dealing with the actual argument. You're setting up a nice similar looking one, that is that everyone wants full realism and essentially a simulation. Thing is. Pretty much no one does, those that do tend to anyways play the Blitzkrieg mod or go "Hey ! Play Men of War ! Please !! We're so lonely" (alright that last bit might just be my imagination )

What people want, and what is so continually missed that it's either a full deception play or a sheer inability to comprehend the concept. Is Authenticity. The less talked about brother of Realism. The bit where you take what WORKS and adds it to a game. Where you try to adhere to the spirit of what you're trying to emulate instead of trying to simulate.

Which means a generally accurate armour and vehicle pool, no crazy prototypes, in fact CoH tended to go one step further and even have an alright grip on unit organisation. But again, it does not go for Realism. Mirror matches would be against that spirit of authenticity. Since the spirit of the war was rather Axis vs Soviets or Allies. Not axis vs axis or allies vs Allies. And to you it might not matter. But to the vast player base. It does. Which would in essence make you the vocal bunch.

But that is never touched upon, rather that everyone seems to be interested in having a full on simulation instead of an Authentic WW2 RTS.

At the end of the day CoH 2 is a RTS game, in development by a studio that has a proven track record, with a publisher that retains 100% rights to the intellectual property. So yes, they can do what they want with the franchise, even if that means making a FPS, RPG, or even a slingshot style Company of Heroes: Angry Wehrms for the iPad. Relic has the right to design CoH 2 in whatever way they (and now Sega) see fit, they have no obligation whatsoever to fans.

Yes, including NOT adding in mirror matches. They've set themselves towards authenticity. Mirror matches do not fit in there.

Sure they have no obligation towards the fans, but then the fans have no obligation to buy the game. But again, this magical argument goes both ways. Relic has no obligation to add in mirror matches either. They have no obligation to just screw over the fans. Just like the "it's just a game. It's just a game man" It's a pretty pointless argument.

I don't feel that mirrors ruin the WWII feel at all. All of the units shown are still WWII units. The environments shown are still set in the WWII era. Giant robots don't appear out of the ground during play, it's extremely authentic, and lends to a better multiplayer experience.

Well if giant robots is what it takes for you to actually take a step back. Well then you might not be so heavily engaged in the whole authenticity department, that is fair enough. But then do be so kind as to respect those that do. Because Mirror matches would be like adding in a giant robot to us. If that somehow gets the point across.