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alright, i added some great points to the list, keep them coming

Successful games today are built around some team play. And team games, even without balance, are still the most popular game modes in COH1 and 2, with far more player-hours.

3v3 and even moreso 4v4 has always been a clownfiesta between mostly incompetent players and that won't change. The basic formula of CoH is IMO perfect for 1v1 and 2v2, but with more players the "flow" of the game starts to fall apart

guys, calm your tits regarding the "call-in" thing, its just a minor part of why the games were good or bad

added strategic diversity for vcoh, overgimmicky DLC factions, gamebreaking bugs for both (coh 2 had its fair share aswell, the vehicle crew bug comes to my mind, good times ) and RNG aswell

AFAIK CoH never had a side armor system, only rear and front from vCoH to CoH2.
Would have been way better, but nah.

Just played a game and tested and and yes, i stand corrected. However i still think that coh2 simplified something with armor, but that might be wrong

Well, I played like a potato in the early game and lost every bit of ground. So what, I can still make an epic comeback with fuel free call ins.

there is one point i want to make besides Jaes excellent answer: in coh2 you can play like a potato aswell, still you will always have the fuel for puma for example

And it was not like vcoh call in tanks were duper manpower expensive. If I remember it right, Tiger cost 800an power which is only 170 mp more than the current tiger, yet it was completely fuel-free (not 230 fuel price)

manpower starvation was in my experience much more prominent in vcoh, therefore that half minute of income really hurt.

Without the coh popcap system the manpower cost would probably need to go up, but i believe it to be the better system ultimatively. Spamming those tanks doesnt work, so you have them if you want to close a game without teching or as a one-try option if you got outteched ( and if you manage to get a breathing room you have to play with the disadvantage of having significantly less manpower). this is a prime example of strategic diversity

As it has become clear that Relic is thinking about COH3, i wanted to have a discussion about the good and the bad in both vcoh and coh2. It should not be about which game is better or about the details in balance, but about the broader picture. So please keep it civilized and don't derail it

The list is as follows:

Coh1 did better:
-pacing
-strategic diversity
-vet only from kills
-more variety in vet (bought, shared, only on officer,…)
-ressource/territory system (small/middle/large mun and fuel, territory points not giving ressources)
-no abandoning
-sound of explosions & arty
-commander system (although a higher number (like 6 or 7) would be good)
-many global upgrades
-better house-counters
-input lag
-performance&optimization (although this is partly explained by worse graphics)
-no buyable commanders (im fine with buyable skins)
-visibility of your troops
-grenades ("sharper" feel)
-ressources below each other instead of next to each other
edit:
-multiple faction search
-dedicated 2v2 AT
-more refined animations
-Suppression mechanics




Coh2 did better:
-graphics
-vaulting
-vision (true sight, smoke)
-target ehicles button
-quality of life stuff like: multiple squad reinforcing, units in top right corner, timer, reverse!!
-capping system (although paks and mgs shouldnt be able to cap when setup)
edit:
-menus
-spectator mode
-snipers (invisibility in general, except OKW)

debated:
-offmap units only costing manpower (makes it less ressource efficient, therefore balanced)

what both didnt do good:
-campy playstyle for brits
-no rebindable hotkeys (even if you would need to change everything in a file it would be a great addition)
-state of balance at release
-no reload button for MGs
-AI quality
-overgimmicky DLC factions
-gamebreaking bugs
-too much RNG at times
-no reconnection feature

what both did do good:
-fluent gamestlye, right balance of makro and micro required
-emphasis on positioning
-voicelines & music (although slight edge for vcoh possibly)
-long support by relic




Possible additions from DOW3 to coh3:
-nothing, for the love of god

So for those of you who have missed it on the frontpage:
You can get coh2 for free on humble bundle during the next 25 hours
https://www.humblebundle.com/store/company-of-heroes-2

good luck getting your mates into this game