Profile of Sander93

340mp 0 muni... why you ask? 300 mp 60 muni seems like a good idea at first... but then you have to consider JLI without a sniper arent exactly effective... nor worth... 300mp in the first place... hence the idea is to make the sniper upgrade free like storms... but make JLI cost 340mp to balance out their performance...

If you make the sniper free that would make it even more attractive to spam JLI instead of Volks as it would save lots of munitions to use for Goliaths, For the Fatherland and Sector Assault. This only works for Stormtroopers because Ostheer is munitions starved by all the other upgrades and expensive mines already.

or increase the cp to 3. same as with fallschirmjägers.
i mean the spam is made possible due to the fact that you can basically skip volks completely. just go 2 kubels and rush that 1 cp. by the time you hit it you should have 500 mp to call in 2 squads of those rascals

It was specifically changed to 1 CP in the patch so they are accessible enough to get them instead of the 4th Volks squad. Anything higher just puts them back into rarely being used, because no one wants a pure AI squad at a point where you already have 4x Volks, Obers are close and the MP is needed for HMGs/ATGs/vehicles/tech. Which is exactly why Falls almost see no use either.


Slightly increasing their cost and increasing the call-in cooldown should prevent SP/Kubel openings into JLI spam without making the squad completely redundant again.

Its the best we can do to show power at specific, replicatable scenarios. You can't take a random battle as evidence as there are other factors in play, for example if the enemy facing the JLI they have even more of an advantage because that unit will be sniped even quicker...

Putting JLI against Obers is not the 'best thing you can do to show power' when that matchup is completely unrealistic and serves no purpose.

If you want to test their strength, you need to put them in equal tests. I.E. put them in the exact same situation (upgraded, at all levels of vet, at all ranges and in all cover situations) against the exact same enemies (pick one squad like Penals) and test this multiple times.


If you do that, which I did, you'll see that JLI are 'only' at about 80% of combat strength of Obers in pure small arms engagements. And that is when JLI have the First Strike bonus advantage. This does not include the Obers' bundled grenade nor the IR STG44 upgrade that increase their combat power significantly.

I've done small tests with multiple types of engagements and the Obers are clearly better in all types of engagements with any level of veterancy, with only vet5 being anything close to equal.

This is the outcome of these engagements against a Penal squad in comparable cover at medium to long ranges. Note how the Obers barely lost any HP in these engagements (the vet3-5 squads were at 95% hp before they started healing) while most JLI squads took at least one model loss and a significant amount of HP. They took significantly longer to kill all enemy models.

This means that yes, JLI overperform for their cost a bit and that they should become ~280MP and 60MU but they are nowhere close to being "as good as Obers for 250MP". The main problem is JLI blobs, which should be solved by this increased cost and by increasing the cooldown.


All in all I think that people are greatly exaggerating how powerful JLI really are. There is a good number of counters. Overperforming yes. Overpowered no.

they beat LMG obers in cover v cover and long range engagements aswell... tested it in cheatmods @ range 20... although the difference between them is usually just 1 man... id say theyre roughly similar in cover vs cover combat...

And why exactly are you testing a scenario that will never take place and serves no purpose? Put them both up against Penals or any other enemy squad and the LMG Obers are hands down better at all levels of vet in all types of engagement.

Just go in the game and test it maybe