Profile of Rosbone

The larger the map or the more assets are on it, the slower it gets, but Rosbone seems to have those issues from the start whereas many others are fine but only notice the slowdown as they progress in their map's development.

tl;dr the map editor is functional and an improvement over coh2's but could be improved.

To be fair, the editor is not terrible. I find it a lot like the game. It was well thought out but only about 60% finished.

As GBPirate said, I have seen videos of people looking around in the premade maps and their PCs seem to run fine. I tried it on 3 different machines and it was unusable on all 3. The key here is the premade maps.

If you start a new map from scratch, the editor runs fine until you are about 75% done. Adding extras like water, OOB areas, etc start to slow it down. You need to work smart and do the things you need good FPS first before it starts to bog down. And like I said, the giant listbox/explorer is what kills it the most. Would be great to be able to turn it off when you dont need it.

Relic tried to standardize how things work in the editor. The Coh2 editor has dedicated tools for each mode of editing. So the Coh3 editor is not as fast and easy to use. But as GB says, it has many improvements over the Coh2 editor. It is just slower and clumsier.

Running the editor is such a typical Relic adventure.
EXCITEMENT: "Oh cool the objects rendering shader uses the ground textures to blend onto the objects parts near the terrain. The water has a pathing grid to make the water flow a certain way!""
DEPRESSION: "Why is the sight box 4 times the size it is supposed to be??? WTF??? Who is the moron? None of these objects have textures. If you click this object, it crashes the editor and you lose all of your progress. If you add this building, you can never select it again."

Great ideas abound to build you up and tons of broken shit to bring you back down. As I said before, there are a bunch of really great people at Relic. But also some dummies. So there is always dumb broken stuff everywhere.

There is an unseen penalty as well since you dont know what objects are bugged you have to test everything in game to verify it works. This does not add to veterans like Mono's time of course.


So I would say the editor is better than I have eluded to in the past. It would be a killer app with some TLC. Will it ever get the love it needs though?

dude, rosbone is wondering about coh3's current review state, and you do a convoluted rant about corrupt "big tech" companies and the choice between universal laws (which universal laws?) and tyranny

what the hell are you talking about

I was thinking about changing the topic title to Extended Shoutbox

I would suggest goofing around with some AI and paying attention to selecting units. It seems to be different than Coh2.

For example clicking the unit shield does not work if another unit is behind the shield. It will click thru and select the unit behind it.

I have not played enough to say for sure. It just seems different to me. So you are not alone.

You make a good point. The game could be seen as watered down from the original.

I guess the flip side of the argument is:
1) The game balance was getting more equal over time.
2) Every change is a good change because the game can feel stale at points. People flock back every patch.
3) The balance team could only change so much. They actually made some interesting changes.


I don't have a dog in the fight. Just conversing. Balance changes are almost meaningless to me personally. Rarely did any change make my games play out different. But I do like to support the balance team when possible since they put time in for free.

But this whole thing can be seen like the last mapping post made. The maps people say they like do not get played. People have valid arguments why they are good maps. But the community as a whole disagrees.

But we have no real metric for this list of missing features. How does the community feel overall??? So it is an interesting post to think about. Stuff like deep snow and Cold Tech are still available right? Just not in automatch.

Anyway, cool post.

Arent this situation followed whole "CoH2 as a e-sport" game approach towards the game?

Like, unique maps will inevitably have some flaws, maybe not major ones but still.

1v1 maps went this way for sure. Open field maps give the best balance and are easiest to play.

As validation, I know a lot of good players like the oddball maps. People who are just out to have fun. You got guys like Doggy asking for Montarge remakes. Siberian misses maps like Semoisky. Maps with character. Now Aerafield with Rostov.

For every person that says I like weird maps I point you to great mappers like Tric making maps that tried to break the mold of open area field maps and he just took crap for it constantly. Taking his vast game knowledge and putting it to use to make something special. And his reward was people coming into his stream and starting shit with him. So we lost the most valuable mapper the game may have ever had. Trics map contests were amazing.

And I point you to the community polls that said "remove that trash". The community as a whole does not like weird maps.

That is what is cool about Coh3. It is brand new and the maps are Relic designed. Meaning they will not fall into the open field maps generically. Mono even stated that on stream recently. Even though the desert maps have no real sight blockers, so they ended up being pretty open anyway. They just need to actually make some maps now.

So maybe Relic not adding community maps is a good thing???