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and they are not BARs for a reason. 1 BAR costs the same as 2 (or is it 3?) and again dont need anything but trying to get tanks as quickly as possible to get, it doesnt stop you from building units and doesnt require you going to base to get them. they arent as good because it would be IMBA for them to be.
(also when i say idky people think stgs are bad and you come back with how they are worse than BARs it sure reads like they are bad, so sorry if i assumed)
they are a great upgrade on a great unit that has literally no draw back at all.
also doctrinal does make a difference. doesnt matter if current meta commanders have them or not, i bought them, all, its the age old question of "why should i be hamstrung and unable to compete if i dont pick a certain commander"
volks got them becasue they lost their shrek, but they didnt need them and it only further enforced the WFA design of "dont diversify your BO and lump your infantry together with fire on the move weapon upgrades that work well at all ranges"
its bad design for both, but at least the BAR has some impact on decision making (bad BAR blobs are every bit as cancer as there is)
I agree. There is no tactical decision making with BARs or StGs, or G43s v K98s or ppshs, DP28s. It's not just 1, it's all. Except for maybe certain units getting CQC upgrades because they're CQC units so they still have weaknesses.
Volks got StGs because without them they'd be nothing but BAR blob food. And it wasn't put all in vet since that would give a large munitions advantage to OKW. They could've done something with obers but it still raises the issue of having 3-4 volks early game that dont scale. StGs was just the best path to making the unit scale without breaking their vet or having Obers arrive at minute 5.
It all comes down to who has power for changes, and what they decide to do/best thing to do. |
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get fussis if you're replacing volks. They're basically a 6 man volks squad with slightly better DPS and vet. Flare is great bonus. Personally I'd just go with fussis over volks all the time if you can. Only problem is as stated in multiple posts before this, the doctrine for 1v1 is garbage. You're better off using falls to support volks and working into obersoldaten with volks loses. The falls will carry your snares. Although obers at 4 men are prone to indirect and tank wipes, and obers tend to be tank magnets since they completely lack AT. |
And what's the fuel cost on top of teching for the STGs? And the per gun price? Bars are better but Bars are a choice the stg is not. The stg is a 100% no Brainer. Getting access to them doesn't delay your Armour, upgrading to them doesn't effect your field presence. There is literaly no reason ever not to get STGs the very second you can. Bars are better but that doesn't make STGs bad. Fucking players wanting everything to be the exact same is what's killing this damn game... Christ.
I never said the StGs were bad, they're just not BARs. What is the price of free squads for USF? Pointing out tech enabled bonuses just warrents a return of the same kind. |
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Thread: Bofors14 May 2018, 17:34 PM
Every single C&C title with exception of first.
Halo Wars(yeah, I know, a stretch, but still).
Whole homeworld series(Desserts of Kharak included).
AoE nline when it was still alive(no gear stats mode).
Supreme Commander 2(don't know much about 1).
CoH1 to an extend(plenty of cheeze, but there are ways to counter it all).
Now, try not to lose your shit here:
DoW3 last balance patch.
3 factions is significantly easier to make asymmetric and balance than it is 5 factions. You'll run into serious overlap the more factions you have. |
Can we stop acting like the FF turret is worth anything when the JP can basically rotate faster than the shitty slow ass FF gunner?
any axis tank can eat the thing for breakfast flanking, just like allied tanks could flank a JP. They have the same weakness; if you drive around them they are toast (it's just a lot safer for Axis as brits lack snares).
That last point in brackets is why FF needs some love, everyone puts this thing in a vaccuum despite its weaknesses not being covered the same way Axis can. 6 pounders were nerfed, AT tommies were nerfed into uselessness, comet nerf, cromwell nerfs... British AT needs some lovin
You need to also factor in the rotation rate of the chasis when you think of the turret as well. Those can be stacked together for faster rotation, unlike fixed gun vehicles.
This list of brit viable AT includes both things that are being considered for nerfs, and post nerfs. Even if the 6 pounder and AT squads were nerfed, the 6 pounder will still be fine against mediums. I'm not on the balance team so I can't help with nerfs and buffs, I just try to educate so maybe the balance team doesn't repeatedly overnerf things.
vipper's chart did use consistent target for the Firefly and jp4, and take into account accuracy, target size, and damage.
Technically it's cromwell and pz4, but it doesn't actually make a different for the two TD. they have the same size and same pen chance for the firefly and jp4 (> 100%)
and jp4 veterancy lean toward survivability. It's the only TD to get cloak as a vet ability and the only td to get a health boost. Like wise the Firefly is the only TD to get a damage boost. They have their own unique bonus instead of copy and paste.
Even so, it doesn't mean it isn't a vet mess. Its XP value for vet 5 is 2x that of a vet 3 Su85. And the vet 5 is virtually useless against stock mediums. The 2 TDs also fill different roles. The JP4 is supposed to shoot at lower armored targets, so it lacks significant pen in exchange for RoF. The FF lacks RoF in exchange for pen. So while the FF cannot engage multiple targets and is prone to getting swarmed, the JP4 struggles with high armor targets. |
Offtopic but frankly mortar pit should be reworked IMO. It makes axis players rage and it hamstrings Brit players who don’t want to use emplacements. If nobody likes it why is it still a thing?
On topic: only issue I take wth usf really is how stupid their teching system is. You either get all the suppression tools and no real at or all the real at and no suppression tools and an rng popcap sink (pack howie). That and maybe lacking in the garrison clearing department despite being a super aggressive faction. I’m always in awe when I play the vanilla factions and I can just grab a flamer and start roasting garrisons so easily or just huck lava nades about with okw. That being said ost doesn’t need to be any more vulnerable to usf.
It's still a thing because someone with power on the balance team, or over the balance team says it won't change. Blame them. The group on the forum who says "my asymmetry is going away" doesn't help either.
You say that like STGs are bad... I'd kill for a non doc good at all ranges, great for bobbing all your infantry into a death ball kinda upgrade when I play EFA. kids these days ain't happy with their fancy omnipotent infantry and bonuses for teching up... Back in my day if we wanted durable infantry they couldn't fight for a damn, or if they could they were expensive. They sure as shit weren't core infantry... If they had a snare they had to pay for it, if they had a weapon upgrade it was because they needed it... Wfa has made yall soft
Try the BAR. just like the StG upgrade except instead of taking 2 slots it takes 1, and you can double equip them. It's not like doctrines hamstring EFA currently. All meta EFA docs contain some form of OP buff to AI power for your army. PPSH cons, G43 grens, Guards. Top it off with IL2 or Tiger Ace and you got yourself no reason to pick any other doctrine.
What are you talking about? It's common place to see Pgrens drop shreks
You said you were shooting AT guns with pschrecks. Ofc they don't deal damage vs a support team. |
It's also nice having 6 man rifles, they take so long to kill when I pick up panzershreks LOL
But when I'm playing UKF the P4 will outright kill my duo piats, then they are completely useless to volks+lmg
Maybe its cause you're using Pschrecks vs an AT gun LOL. Volks with LMG. I wish my opponet would donate my volks LMGs. All I get is StGs |
Soviet is in every aspect, better than USF and UKF
AT guns are by far superior in penetration,damage and they have artillery
Apparently the Zis gun > 6 pounder. Hell even the m1 is better than the zis in an AT role with sabot |
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