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Thread: SU-7612 Jul 2018, 11:11 AM Jump back to quoted post12 Jul 2018, 10:43 AMgbem tested on cheatmod II average kill time at range 50 puma vs T-70 and SU-76 vs T-70 4 tests done on semi flat terrain... both tanks firing at the same target location from the same firing point... all debris cleared... 21.996...........34.867 21.828...........13.604 17.051...........1:17.723 (yes 1 minute) 17.708...........56.155 the puma is clearly superior at killing light vehicles to the SU-76 when firing at range 50 and now test this at range 60. and now test the su and the puma vs infantery blobbs and teamweapons. and come back with your enlightings. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-7612 Jul 2018, 09:58 AM Jump back to quoted post12 Jul 2018, 09:52 AMgbem the similarly priced puma counters light vehicles better and is a great finisher against damaged tanks... if a light TD is the role of an SU-76 then the puma does its job better.... it has worse range yes... but is faster has a turret has smoke and fires faster.... did i mention smoke? and of course as anti infantry its fellow light tanks do a better job at that... paying 35 muni to counter infantry which can simply move out of the way (except a weapon team) is a high price to pay... if the barrage were to be free then yes the worse AT capabilities would be offset by the free barrage... but as it stands 35 muni for a barrage just sucks really? do u know how often i wipes units with this barrage? to often and it is really strong vs infantery blobbs, teamweapons and houses....for this huge range ...is 35muni relativ cheap. a grenade cost nearly the same..but doesnt have such range and wiping potencial...you can sit back and arty with a AT GUN! the enemy lines. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-7612 Jul 2018, 09:51 AM Jump back to quoted post12 Jul 2018, 09:38 AMgbem and the puma may have less accuracy but is faster has a turret and can rapid smoke encircle targets... pretty good in its role as a finisher tank to kill those stragglers puma? well..its its not that really god hunting unit like you want to tell us. yesterday: it misses 4 (four) times in a row hunting a su76 on mid and near range!...WTF! do you wanna talk about bad accu? and puma cant barrage, has not 60range... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-7612 Jul 2018, 07:59 AM Jump back to quoted post12 Jul 2018, 07:42 AMgbem 1. the JT can kill infantry efficiently from long ranges... not as deadly as a barrage but far more consistent 2. the accuracy of the SU without vet is too low... might be better to change the veterancy a bit to make it more consistent 3. mmkay... if i shoot from the back i wont hit anything bcz its accuracy sucks... if i go in i cant kill anything bcz it will die... catch 22 3. no i expect it to be a cheap unit that either has good anti infantry or good anti tank rather than smth that sucks at both 1. this is a lie. 2. welcome to coh2! where vet is more important than mostly other things. you shouldnet compare vet0 units performanche. since this thing vet faster than most other units ingame vet0 isnt relevant. vet3 is good boost for this unit...so handle this 5-6 minutes and reach the vet3 and wonder how strong it is. 3. same here: wait to vet3 and than blame. 4. it is good vs both targets..for its pricetag In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-7612 Jul 2018, 07:34 AM Jump back to quoted post12 Jul 2018, 07:21 AMgbem 1. let me stop you on the word good... its accuracy is horrible and its damage is low... its range means jack shit with horrible accuracy and its mounted on a chassis that dies to a sneeze 2. shoot half the map??? only artillery pieces and the jagdtiger can do that which is by the way axis... ohh by the way the best arty pieces ingame are all in the axis side... stuka zu fuss and pwerf wipe squads and blobs far more efficiently than the katyusha... and OKW even gets a free maphack ability to boot... and then ofc ost gets the turbomortar... and okw gets the LEIG... all of it non doctrinal btw except the jagdtiger 3. jagdtiger... that thing has shells which can damage infantry... and has more range SU-76s... and can shoot thru shot blockers with its ability... the jagdpanzer can also outshoot all allied TDS unless well microed... i hear u bitch about the allies alot yet you fail to notice it was the axis who consistently had the highest winrates in the tournament... you better keep that bias in check m8... regardless i dont mind axis getting all of those tools really... this thread is about the SU-76 being weak... you havent used this jagdtiger abilty often, right? it doesnt have such wiping potencial like the barrage from Su. and...this little jgtiger is doc, 15cp, 280fuel unit, which cant defend themself, once flanked its dead, very slow and comes also very late! at this state of game it has other things to do than shoot on mgs. you blame the accracy from a su? on 60range? even with vet 3? cant understand. look at this pricetag from this thing. its totally cheap and spamable 3-4 from them you can oneshot most mediums. very nice..and than bomb the hell out of your enemys infantery. dies to a snezze? how do you handle this td? it isnt a brawler..it shouldnt used at the first line. but i can deal with mostly 2-3 hits. its ok. what do u expect? a cheap unit, which has higher range than stug, can barrage like a arty, is fast, can used as brawler, and has high accurracy? sorry bro... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-7612 Jul 2018, 07:13 AM dont u understand that you get a good mobile AT gun with good rof, high range AND a Arty barrag where you can often wipe out teamweapon and blobbs, houses and defense positions? on huge range? on some maps you can shot above half of the map with it! you get 2in1 unit! where is this for axis? not one single axis tank can shot on such huge range! In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Light Vehicle Meta needs to Stop11 Jul 2018, 11:13 AM Jump back to quoted post11 Jul 2018, 10:03 AMSeroth Well the Stuart abilities cost muni and to do the engine shot you have to go pointblank range, which is not possible most of the times. Also it pretty much sucks as AI vehicle compared to luchs/t70, and another thing is that it is slower than those two. People now are forced to go for Stuart, because they need something to hold off all the LVs coming at you. You mention Puma, which if played correctly can kill Sherman or T34/76. So you don't need to tech up and just wait for your Command Panther lategame. it would op if it wouldne cost anything...this isnt an arguement. why it should possible to dmg engine with stuart? it is really fast...and can flank easily..it is really usefull in midgame. USF dont really have problem with LV....because of the cheapest AT unit in game: double zook pios. puma is a victime for well handeled stuart...because stuart win with the stun abilty. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Light Vehicle Meta needs to Stop11 Jul 2018, 06:34 AM light tanks are often the only possibilty to stand against infantery blobbs or mg spam on some maps. imagine okw has no luchs vs rifle and is with mgs spam. ISG has not the aacurray, the explsoion area or anti-house power to push back such strat. Only luchs can help since your volks are only competitve at higher vet lvl. but some LV are much better than other. when i think about the AT and AI abilty from t70 and stuart....i ask myself why they get such good strengt vs both targets and as okw you need the luchs and the puma. vet 0 stun or engine dmg? no problem with stuart. wanna fight good vs AAI and armor? no problem with both till mediums comes on the field In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Valentine tank popcap10 Jul 2018, 12:24 PM Edit: i shouldnt read while working In: COH2 Balance
Thread: King Tiger balance fix: smoke launchers10 Jul 2018, 05:53 AM Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2018, 15:17 PMcheese tonkatsu just lets give smokes for all tanks. not only for axis nice try. But you forgett to say that only ost tanks can do that..with the right doc! and you forgett to say that the most allie tanks can smoke...even without vet or a doc! (shermans, chromwell, comet, AEC,...) In: COH2 Balance