Did you look at the video I posted? The panther gets penetrated by m10s almost every time they fire at it frontally. They weren't using hvap every single time either..
Musta been HVAP shells, the normal penetration is around half of the Panther's front armour so it'll bounce half of the time at max range. HVAP, however, brings the penetration odds up to around 70%.
This unit is underperforming hard. It needs some big work if it is to stay at its current price, since it doesn't reflect anything that should resemble such a price.
- It's armor is weak. This tanks is supposed to be a finisher, or a chaser, yet it can't reliably put itself on the front without getting easily penetrated by something as cheap and easy to get as an M10.
- It's rate of fire is pretty poor. It can't reliably dish out damage and fulfill it's intended role of as a finisher/chaser.
- It's accuracy is horrendous. It misses quite often, it misses most of the time on the move. Meanwhile other tanks and Allied tanks hit pretty often on the move. It can even reliably miss when standing perfectly still.
- It's too expensive in a faction that is already taxed to pump out a T3 tank as soon as possible or loose. It is locked behind a tier that is expensive to get and has little to no value apart from the Brumbahr.
Another idea worth considering is copying the coh1 Panzer4 IST, which can toggle to immobilize but increase its firing rate and turret traverse speed. Unable to move but fires faster means it's a tanky anti-infantry vehicle.
This is a great idea. But wouldn't it sort of make the KV1 a underpowered KV2 in that aspect?
No one picks ML20 or B4 if enemy has dive bomb.
Obvious misteake.
I rather fight with Ele than Panther with KV1s
But it doesn't prove anything. I mean, I could say that someone uses Luchs agasint double Guards behind green cover. Does it make Luchs bad? No.
Same here (tho KV1 is bad) in this situation, he simply made wrong choices by spamming KV1s.
But then you can pretty much never use it in 2v2 and up, since 99% of the time there will be a stuka dive bomb available.
I understand your point with the luchs and the guards, but the KV1 is bad lol. It can't do anything well. If you need more than 2 of them to even be effective, that is pretty sad..
Counter attack is definetly not useless doctrine.
Personally I like it a lot.
KV-1 is kinda broken with it's veterancy but I still like to spam them
Despite this weird veterancy, it's sometimes useful to swarm enemy with 3 of them, get behind and kill anything.
I wouldn't mess with any auras, especially like this. We have something similar called hull down and it's already not used almost at all.
I played vs a player that used KV1 swarms in combination with a B4. I simply stuka'd the b4 and had 2 panzergrenadier squads with panzerschrecks and a Panther. The KV1s couldn't do anything against it. When I got my Elefant, it was hilarious.
It's not that the KV1 is bad, is that everything else axis have is too good, and the supporting units of soviets suck ass.
I fear you're missing the point here. The thing with the KV1 is the same thing that the Ostheer Panther has for example. Too expensive for what it does and too bad at what it needs to do. This has nothing to do with everything else Axis have being too good. Currently Allies are more powerful than Axis in 1v1 and 2v2 especially.
I was confronted with a player today that used the KV1. I was, at the same time, confronted with the now pretty established fact that the KV1 is lackluster and tops the list of units that simply aren´t worth it.
The KV1 needs a lot of work:
- It is in a pretty useless doctrine, but is itself the most useless thing in the doctrine. This is worrying.
- It has only 800 hp, although being a heavy tank. The pershing has the same issue, yet has a very good gun and good mobility. The KV1 has neither.
- It can't reliably kill infantry or any kind of armor apart from light vehicles, Ostheer Panzer IV below vet 2, Stug without target weak point.
- It's veterancy abilities do not come in line with its intended role: a heavy breakthrough tank.
Conclusion: The KV1 lacks identity. It isn't good vs infantry, it isn't good versus armor. It needs to be good at either one of those things. This iconic WW2 tank, which stupefied the Wehrmacht when they moved into the Soviet Union, is nothing but a laughable driving heap of wasted resources at this point.
, GL HF with this topic.
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