I lost/disconnected and raged at 12 matches lost in a row over the weekend as OST.
OST is broken to shite
Same here, moving from rank 13 down to 8. But would that stop me from playing Ostheer? ... No. I don't want to join the cheesy side (Most of Allies players down here use cheese tactic, no offense to higher rank players), I stay loyal to this faction until I can actually be good at them. That's why i'm asking for tips and advices up here.
So, back on the topic, there are some 3v3 maps being used in 2v2 map pool (Like Across the Rhine). Should I automatically vetto them out due to the fact that Allies would mostly got the advantage in retreating time (USF + Brits have forward ones, Soviet could be in the same situation as Ost) or should I vetto some other maps instead? |
Dusseldorf, Moscow (50% chance you get north and you are fucked), Trois, for me also Ettelburck.
Most of 2v2 maps are shitty, and design badly. Narrow maps are bad in case of calliope or other ally arty, too open map and you will get flanked easily
Hmm... well then Ostheer will basically struggled on all 2v2 maps? Man, that's tough... Any tips that can work on all maps though? I mean, I play Ostheer rather defensive and always use the Spotting Scope to my advantage (2 of my commanders in the loadout have the Scope) but recently, the maps I saw this work are Hamlet and mainly narrow maps, but still having difficult keep a steady front-line. |
Any pro/dedicate-to-play Ostheer players has any advice on this? What maps should be avoided at all cost? What maps would Ostheer shine? |
Look promising! Kinda make me think of Star war-ish theme where rebels fight the Imperial... now just see the price when it comes out.
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Nah, I'm bound by law to this My Little Pony / Tracer OC
I really don't know what I feel about your profile picture... I mean, why don't just use Tracer? Why My Little Pony version? I have some fanart about Tracer and Mercy from the Internet if you don't know where to find some... but seriously... why this? (I'm asking in a confusion tone, not ironic so...) |
Telling people to stop saying Allies OP, but start complaining Axis OP... I don't get it, what's the point!? Eventually, at the end of the day, it's still gonna be whining, just changing from this side to other side! You were asking people to stop complaining/whining in the title but you yourself complained in the post... What were you trying to do? You want to complain or you want to stop people complain? Cause either way, it won't help much in this situation!
To the extend of balance, I don't want to make any claims. I don't want to have the bias side of mine take over my normal common consciousness so no. Right now, things are fine! If there's anything to talk about, I would say the 2v2+ map pool. Our current one are not that great, it needs a look at, that's it for now! |
Watched it and here are a few tips:
You mainly lost because of your lack of counters. Don't go assgrens if you know you won't be able to bleed the enemy with them. You lost 2 models until you've reached close range, then retreated. Not really worthy. And then you started using them at long range. No.
Don't cap a point with 2 squads, 1 is more than enought to cap a point. You were just wasting time and fighting force, which you really needed.
Both of them were really, really static. Know the counters, get a mortar. Or in this case, 3-4 of them.
Also, against brits it is a MUST to have at least 1 sweeper on your pios.
Try to communicate with teammate because you were scattered most of the time, don't even knowing what the other's doing.
Try to get the best cover in every fight, but don't die for it. I mean, your troops were standing next to light/heavy cover. All you had to do is to order them to it, because it can matter. A lot.
ATGs are not frontline units. If you see that there are no supporting troops around it/ units that can screen for it, then just draw them back.
Also: Don't rely on StuGs and Paks on a map that greatly supports flanking as they are dead if somebody got in their back.
The commando squad with their gammon bomb at ~29 min was well deserved for a learning slap in a face. Why? You already knew about them, because they even threw a grenade at your ostwind. They can't magically disappear (nah, I'm not referring to camo, only to that they can't vanish from an area under 10 seconds). Also you don't repair that close to the frontline if it's constantly shifting. Even if it's feeling safe. It's not really. 400 MP down the drain. Still no sweeper upgrade, the second thing you want them is because as far as I remember, they grant a +33% repair speed bonus.
You should've gone T4 and brummbar as you hadn't gone for mortars and ostwinds are not that good against infantry.
Aside from that, I only checked your teammate a few times but you were much better at this than he was.
So to sum it up:
You needed mortars very badly and quickly because that could've punish static play really hard.
You were not fighting in the best conditions.
You need to identify the map's settings and adapt to it. Assgrens were sort of a good choice, but this map needs a lot of mortars and using Paks and assault guns other than middle is a very risky move.
Go for that T4! It's worth it now as brummbar's buffs actually made it a viable choice against infantry and emplacements and Panther is still a viable AT choice (even if it misses a lot thanks to the bad accuracy it's given).
Hope I pointed out a few things you couldn't watch out for
Good luck next time
Well, no more battling on Dussendorf ever again as Wehrmacht! To be honest, I always go MG42 - Grens - Mortar - Grens - T2 (Along with second Pio) cause I know the important of indirect-fire, but on heavy urban maps (Mainly just Dussendorf, or Ettelbruck Station), I try to rush with Assault Grens and completely forgot the T1. I had some successful rushes with Assgrens before, but that one was not the one. Probably i'm just gonna vetto that map out and go for a less urban one.
About the Pioneer's upgrade, those were my most basic, idiotic mistakes I could have made that match: Forgot upgrading sweepers and fix tanks on the front (To my excuse, I didn't know the Commandos was there. Not until all of my Pioneers got wiped, but still, I shouldn't have fixed the Ostwind on the frontline). And I really didn't know that sweeper gives extra repair speed for Pioneers. I thought that was the Sturmpioneer one?
The T4 though... I don't know, it just doesn't seem that worth it despite the cost reduction. Yes, I know the Brumbarr got cost-reduction, but I can still get like 2 Ostwinds by the time the first Brumbarr arrive. Same to Panther, I could have got 3 StuGs or 2 StuGs + 1 Panzer IV. Usually I just went either Elefant or Tiger to cover my T4. Probably the only reason I go for T4 is for the Panzerwerfer and that's it! Which doesn't seem that satisfied for just 1 building.
So basically overall, just don't go to Dussendorf! Never again! |
I would ban this map as Ostheer!!!
Noted! I have learnt the lesson the annoying, disgusting way. But noted! |
So like... just for real now!? They just love playing around with their emplacements, don't they? The 2 Brits just lock down both VPs with emplacements and call in tanks and elite infantries, we just couldn't do anything! And it just make me feels so disgusted when seeing the number of tanks they thrown away stupidly, but still be able to get a bunch more! Like, they don't have to spend any MP and fuel for anything else beside from setting up those bloody damn sim cities and wait there! No tactical movement or anything! This just annoys me so much. Why they can't just play the game tactically, mobility-ly like every other factions!! Why you have to camp!?
Er-hem...Anyways, I hope any strategists can help me out here. I'm just so tired of seeing sim cities. Can someone give me a plan, or a strategy that can deal with this crap effectively? Cause the amount of efforts needed to take down just 1 emplacement is just outrageously huge, too much for the amount of efforts the Brit player needed.
P/s: I'm RoyalWeapon in the replay. |
This reminds me of the relic feedback. Is there an option where you can just remove the entire god damn Brit faction!? They just can't be fixed since the problem lies in the core of the godforsaken faction itself! Just disgustingly encourage sim city play... |