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You are not accounting for the 200+ dmg of USF and Firefly (which the panther struggles against currently IMO)

Plugging that into your formula:

Shots to kill @ 240 pen and 200 damage

	Prepatch	Post
Vet 0	75% chance to pen, 5.33 shots	92.3% chance to pen, 5.2 shots
Vet 2	75% chance to pen, 6.4 shots	83.9% chance to pen, 5.72 shots

Or we can calculate it for Firefly:

Shots to kill @ 210 pen far and 200 damage

	Prepatch Armour	Post
Vet 0	65.6% chance to pen, 6.09 shots	80.7% chance to pen, shots 5.94
Vet 2	65.6% chance to pen, 7.31 shots	73.4% chance to pen, shots 6.53

Or AP jackson

Shots to kill @ 250 pen far and 200 damage

	Prepatch	Post
Vet 0	78.1% chance to pen, 5.12 shots	96.1% chance to pen, 4.99 shots
Vet 2	78.1% chance to pen, 6.14 shots	87.4% chance to pen, 5.49 shots

or Su85 or normal jackson (same pen) for completeness
Shots to kill @ 220 pen far and 160 damage

	Prepatch	Post
Vet 0	68.7% chance to pen, 7.27 shots	84.6% chance to pen, 7.09 shots
Vet 2	68.7% chance to pen, 8.73 shots	76.9% chance to pen, 7.80 shots

For the record:

	Prepatch	Post
Vet 0	800hp 320 armour	960hp 260 armour
Vet 2	960hp 320 armour	960hp 286 armour

Sure post patch the panther may be more tough vs medium tanks, but that isn't going what make panthers a poor unit at the moment.



I dont think thats necessarily true against 200 allied TDs (or even the su85). Against the firefly and AP Jackson, it looks like the panther may be worse off.

Did I mess up my math here? Because seems to me that the numbers say that panthers will be worse off vs tank destroyers contrary to what the mod makers have said.

good contribution, all the numbers says the same, this change its a small nerf even in vet 0 and 1 and a big nerf in vet 2 and 3. its simple this is not a survivability buff.

Do you know what RNG is? Do you know how armour works in COH2? Did you ever use Churchill pre its armour/hp swap? Do you know what consistency means?

obviously, more than you...

VET 0 and 1

800hp 320 armour
vs 120 pen:
120/320 = 0,375
1/0,375=2,6667 x5(shoots required to kill 800hp)= 13,333 shoots
vs 240 pen:
240/320= 0,75
1/0.75= 1,3333x5(shoots required to kill 800hp)= 6,667 shoots

960hp 260 armour
VS 120 pen
120/260 = 0,461
1/0,461 = 2,169 x6(shoots required to kill 960hp)= 13,015 shoots
VS 240 pen
240/260 = 0,923
1/0,923 = 1,083 x6(shoots required to kill 960hp)= 6,5 shoots

VET 2 and 3

960hp 320 armour
vs 120 pen:
120/320 = 0,375
1/0,375 = 2,667x6(shoots required to kill 960hp)= 16,002 shoots
vs 240 pen:
240/320 = 0,75
1/0.75 = 1,333x6(shoots required to kill 960hp)= 7,998 shoots

960hp 286 armour
VS 120 pen:
120/286 = 0,419
1/0,419 = 2,386 x6(shoots required to kill 960hp) = 14,319 shoots
VS 240 pen:
240/286 = 0,839
1/0,839 = 1,191 x6(shoots required to kill 960hp) = 7,151 shoots

can you understand this? maybe I'm wrong or maybe you are a little troll, but numbers don't lie
even in vet 0 and 1 this change is a nerf in survivability of the panther, and in vet 2 and 3 its a huge NERF specially against medium tanks.

The Panther armour hp change is a buff. If you really cant comprehend that youre a moron

obviously the accuracy and reload time will be better after patch. in general terms maybe is a buff, but more HP per less armour? this a survivability NERF, especially if you consider the tank in vet 2 and the time repairing to reach vet 2
i don't remember the actual armour of the panther, 300 or 325 i think, assuming its 300:

now in vet2
960hp 300 armour

after patch in vet 2
960hp 286 armour

Stop showing off knowledge that you don't have, it seems you do not know how to count...

No KT buff? Are you joking? IS-2 is who really needs a buff because of the list: KT, Tiger, Pershing, IS-2. IS-2 is the worst heavy tank. Or do you miss the Ultimate OP? click, click wipe all.

is2 maybe needs a reload time buff, but has a good mobility and armour (the same armour than KT which is not fair)

you've tried KT after the scatter nerf?, now don't kill infantry, and don't kill tanks thanks to his ridiculous mobility. its just a fat ass 280 fuel target. KT its good for nothing right now. well to be honest KT its good for 1 thing; to lose games wasting fuel!

Centaur nerfs are also absurd, this kind of tanks its supposed to do more damage against infantry than multi-task tanks like cromwell or p4, another ridiculous change that puts one unit out of the game...

more brain, less changes pls