However I have another question now, is it possible to give the Osttruppen models helmets then or to transfer their backpack gear onto other models like the gun crews using this method or something similiar?
So we were playing with the Wikinger mod today and I noticed this oddly familiar blue looking MG42 crew and when I zoomed in I couldn't believe my eyes at first but when I looked at them for longer they looked exactly like the Wehrmacht MG42 crew from the original game:
And here is the original MG42 crew, albeit maybe not the best picture but it's the biggest resolution one I could find at the moment:
So my question is how is it possible exactly, is it a bug or some sort of new hidden feature? I just checked and the new OKW MG crew models/skins aren't the same as these for sure and I've never seen any blue like uniforms in this game before.
Doesn't look like they added much besides a few new things like the Flak 88 for the Germans and their hull down, plus maybe a few units here and there.
Of course they also added the new portraits but from my quick glance that's pretty much it, at least on surface level.
The only thing indicating Panzer IIIs in a co-ax MG for the tank but there was also that in CoH2 so maybe it's a leftover.
There are Crusaders also in the files however and they were only pretty much used in Africa so there is a high chance of PZIIIs making it there as well at some point I'm guessing, obviously don't keep your hopes up however.
I find it funny how there's a Black Prince that never even saw actual service but not the mainstay tank of the German forces in the earlier part of the war until now which should have been in CoH2 as well.
Right but expecting big budget studios to do it like EA is very different. They get more scrutiny, both from the press and from shareholders. Of course a market for it exists, it's just much much smaller than the appetite for nazi-killing games
"Campaign?" It was like 20-30 minutes of gameplay where you get to control one of the most famous tanks in the war. And like you alluded to, the rest of the campaign sucked so bad that people got attached to the one story that didn't have all of EAs agenda stapled to it
I'm not sure what you're even saying the rest of the post. You guys can really stop venting now. I want German campaigns too, I'm just telling you why larger American companies don't make them that often
As I said obviously they'll be treading on thin ice with it but how the CoH and BF German campaigns were done were pretty good and didn't really promote anything but show the struggles of war.
Same with the American and British campaigns I'd say, I was personally heartbroken when MacKay died.
The series is called Company of Heroes, not Company of War Criminals. Russian outrage was justified.
Hey, he said it'd be hard to make a German campaign without the holocaust so I'm just saying.
You won't ever even see the reality of what actually happened in any other Russian media either and you know it's going to be bad if the Soviets didn't even sign the Geneva Convention, same as Japan.
Even so I really like stuff like the Brest Fortress, the Battalion of Death and Generation War.
They try to show the soldiers' perspectives without all of the political bullshit, at least for the most part from what I've noticed.
The first is a somewhat sad and dramatic love story of a boy orphan and his brother being stationed in a relatively old Russian fortress during the invasion of 1941, the other is about the first and only I believe woman's Battalion made from volunteers for the Imperial Russian Army during WW1 as a last ditch effort by the government to raise morale and it dwells a bit in the hardships that the women needed to endure, including a bit of politics.
While the last one is one of the rare and few media pieces from the German soldier's view point during WW2 where again it doesn't dwell into the politics too much but it shows some of the bad stuff that did happen and how many disagreed with it, same as in the 1993 Stalingrad movie which is the truth.
As a soldier you sign up to defend your country and family but end up doing it in reality for the men next to you, not about some politician back home yelling his lungs out how war is justified and I believe that's for all Soldiers, be it Russian, German, American, Japanese, British, Italian and so on and so forth.
Huh? This isn't really what I'm talking about. I'm talking purely about the company making a financial decision
Id have no problem with them showing the German side, I would enjoy the campaign most likely. Literally the only thing I'm pointing out is the reason it doesn't happen as often
Like I said all 3 of those franchises are American made. They're not history teachers they create entertainment and they need to make a profit
"One may judge the other harshly..." Like wtf? I'm not judging anyone. I literally said I don't think it's a moral issue, it's an economic one
I mean obviously but you said that it's hard to make an Axis campaign without doing the holocaust which is just lol since like I said there's been plenty of German campaigns that never dwelled into any war crimes.
In fact the only game that I know of that involved and even revolved around war crimes was Spec Ops: The Line where you were an active and unknowing participant.
And again like I said, there is a market for the Axis perspective.
Lastly I wasn't talking about you specifically judging the other guy harshly, I'm talking about in general just people which is the truth.
I've noticed it in myself that we often see what others do wrong but not ourselves.
For example I play Hell Let Loose and record my games and I often act as a tank commander and sometimes I'm wondering why the driver or Gunner are turning the other way only to find out later that I gave the wrong direction without realizing it at the time.
All 3 of those games are popular because of multiplayer. Battlefield V had customizable German tanks in the multiplayer with upgrade paths specific to them. Game was disappointing overall but not because of it's lack of axis representation. The Soviets weren't included in the game at all, among other things
Don't think it's that simple. If you're talking about making campaigns that means getting into the real history. Kinda hard to get into the story of the axis without the holocaust, which most people don't want to see when they're trying to have fun playing a video game
I don't think it's a moral thing at all, it's economic. There's less demand for it. All the games you mentioned so far are made by American companies, and Relic is Canadian. They are trying to make a profit, end of story
You are assuming I meant the latest games but I never said that, if I did I would have probably named them.
I meant the entire franchises which again, Battlefield was the only one with the Last Tiger campaign in BFV that actually showed WW2 from the German perspective, otherwise all others have always been from the Allied one.
Plus arguably and ironically the Last Tiger took BFV into the headlines so there is a market there for the other guy's perspective.
And I think your logic is flawed a little bit here, what do you mean by "real" history exactly?
As others have already mentioned here there are plenty of German campaigns already, and maybe a few here and there from the other Axis' perspectives but not much and none of them dwell into the war crimes.
If we're going to be honest here there's a lot to cover on the Allied side as well but people don't really want that depression in their games as you said.
2 specific examples I can give which again, were not covered and will never be covered in CoH or any other franchise are the rape of berlin:
Which could have been put at the end of the Soviet campaign in CoH2 but it wasn't for very obvious reasons that there would be an even bigger uproar from the Russians as they only want to be portrayed as heroes in media.
And then we have the Biscari massacre where US troopers murdered around 70 Italian POWs which again, can be covered in CoH3, but obviously won't be.
As Major-General Raymond Hufft is quoted saying - "If the Germans had won, I would have been on trial at Nuremberg instead of them."
One may judge the other harshly but he forgets that at times he is no better. That's not to say that America didn't rebuild the world after the war and became it's freedom fighter in my opinion, more or less, against an even bigger tyrannical dictatorship but still, nobody is perfect and it's important to remember that.
To end it, I'll just say that in war, there are no rules and you can ask any combat veteran about that.
All that matters is you and your buddy next to you, no politics and other such crap, all that bull goes out the window the moment bullets begin to fly and your survival instinct kicks in, as well as your wrath and anger after it's over.
Relic Entertainment
cblanco ★ 
보드카 중대 
VonManteuffel 
Heartless Jäger 
