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Jump back to quoted post22 Jan 2017, 15:19 PMscratchedpaintjob

You are kinda contradicting yourself there. Additionally one might even say that the penal stuff happenend because they tried to fix problems outside the scope with parameters within the scope

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2017, 09:18 AM__deleted__

We are making big changes to penals, first we put them right, then we put them left. Then we do something completely else. Yet penals still remain gimick unit because of TECHING PLACE.

Main problem of penals and generaly whole tier1 is building time. Many of you don´t get this, but 40 seconds is far too much. Its literaly like if you started game and then pressed 40 second timer and then started game. Your enginners lost 40 seconds of capping and you can start building penals after 40 seconds. This forces you into getting 1 conscript or furthure losing map control. If you get 1 conscript you won´t have mp for enaugh penals before teching/getting medics and so you will lose map control later.


After 40 seconds enemy have already solid income - capped 2 strategic points and fuel point. So he is literaly ~ 40 seconds forward of you. This means fight will happen in your part of map because he already capped his most important point while you are just starting with capping phase.

He also have 1 more squad on field and when first fights happen - on your site, it is likely that you lose unless he make mistake because he have 1 more squad on the fiel and also had tim to rush better position. It isn´t only 40 seconds of first poineers squad. You will be lacking 40 seconds of every squad, because each penal will be built 40 seconds later than conscrip squad (t1 building time).

This whole will result into lack of map control early on, and giving enemy edge in rushing light vehicle to furthure cripple you. If you get PTRS, you lose squad. If you go zis at gun, you lose squad. Also because you spend so much MP so early on (earlier than ussually because enemy have more map, resulting into faster light tank) you will lack medics and this will furthure set you back, once enemy squads start getting upgrades.

Against ostheer you´re in a bit better position, because at least his pioneer is early on building tier1 and not capping, but still he is training HMG, while you are idling time building tier1 before building squads.

Yes, you can go conscripts, but 1 conscript is completely useless in your penal army and also will result into getting less penals. So you won´t have actually 3-4 strong penal squad at price of 40 seconds of enginner time and 160mp, but you will have 2-3 strong penal squads and one conscript. As you can see, going 3 cons and then once you have capped most important points, retreating with enginner, getting tier2 is much more efficient.

Right now only thing that could have give tier1 some room to breathe early on was m3 but you nerfed even that unit even more by giving volks so early and so cheap faust. Right now there is nothing that can halt them in aquiring luchs and ending game.


Conclusion: Try giving tier1 20 seconds building time so getting early tier1 isn´t so punishive. We will also be able to realise true penals cost because right now they have to be "OP" in order to regain ground you lost in first 40 seconds, in like 5 minutes, before enemy gets even faster light tank than ussually.

What do you think ?