Banning the UC from command vehicle? I don't like this. Unlike all other command vehicles in the game (from what I know of) applying this ability to a unit makes it fire and move awfully slow, that's why people put it on a UC.
Putting it on a UKF tank would be a huge waste of a tank, OKW can at least still have a front line Panther, OST have a snub P4 that good VS AI and can stand a chance to get out of an engagement. UKF will near HAVE to go AEC to save popcap and costs which is limiting play by removing bofors as an option.
Can't you just increase the cost of the ability and make it cost 50+ fuel? That way you don't limit the entire roster of UKF by using that ability, forcing AEC tech.
That or remove the speed reduction that comes with the ability...
And then we take a look at all the factors at play here (instead of omitting everything that doesn't suit our point), only to see that Ostheer teching is more expensive in return, and that PzGrens are a more vulnerable, more expensive unit. "HOW DARE THEY BE BETTER AT SOMETHING WHILE COSTING MORE", to more or less use your words…
I don't have a problem with this unit in the slightest.
Err, no. Watch again.
You do yourself a disservice by not being upstanding with your "research".
But we should also move on from this, as it has derailed the thread.
Yes, elchino7, I did think PIATs were OP before too. I use them to evapourate tigers within seconds. But like you say, now they are noob friendlier. Which means on the whole more deadly.
Believe what you want, its what I did. What's your playercard? Or is your experience with PIATS against AI or in team games?
Haha. Nice try mate. Like how you count from appearance of tank for PIATs, but from sound of schrek firing for the sturms...
The averages are actually more than two seconds shorter for piats and a second longer for schreks. And this is not at maximum range for schreks. Now imagine on similarly 3 vetted squads.
About your pgren diversion. I never once spoke about them and have not since. I did refer to volks though when they were considered op with one schrek.
Nope, counted as the shots were fired give or take milliseconds.
u forgett that the IS ist more better with its 5 model. it can shot on infantery with 3 men. it has bonus in green cover, its cheaper, its better in all ways exept AT (u also forget the price from the 2. Panzergrenadier!!!!)
U forgett so much, that i think u are a troll...
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Learn spell check, watch the video, learn the topic I'm arguing, then try again.
Then kindly make your own video showing the massive differences and how 'OP' piats are, however, to again shut down your idocy with facts here are the times it takes to kill the tanks (Which by the way are placed based on the attack ground distance):
UKF: (150mp 15 fuel 100 munitions)
First - 20 seconds
Second - 14 seconds
Third - 19 seconds
17.6 seconds average
OKW: (90 munitions)
First - 25 seconds
Second - 18 seconds
Third - 27 seconds
23 seconds average
OST: (120 munitions)
First - 9 seconds
Second - 9 seconds
third - 9 seconds
9 seconds average
If 5.4 seconds is what makes something so OP that you have to bitch and moan about it, don't you think that you should first start off with a difference of almost 8.6 instead? That is clearly more 'OP' using your method. Please, justify how your OP claim doesn't translate to Pgrens, i'd love to hear it.
But I say again, HOW DARE Allies have a cheaper, shittier but faster firing handheld AT, HOW DARE THEY!
Considering it comes with the useless "Cold package" which is why I suspect it's price is what it is, more so when you consider Pgrens get 1x shreck at 60 muni (120 for whole package(2x shrecks)).
Testing vs an OKW P4, 2 double PIAT squads will smash it in less than 10 seconds at max range. 2 single Schrek squads will take roughly 30 seconds.
Video proves otherwise, you state Shrecks take 3x as long to kill a P4 than Piats when 1:17 the footage switches to the shrecks from piats and that video ends at 2:55.
That is a difference of 38 seconds hardly 3X as good. MY video along with Hector giving you more facts prove you are talking shit. I use facts to back up my statements, I recommend you do the same.
P.S My 'experience' with OKW has nothing to do with my ability to use cheat mod and demonstrate how wrong you are, my 'lack of experience' should set off alarm bells that someone as 'inept' at playing OKW as me can prove you wrong, but alas, it won't. Nor will you put forth any evidence or solutions to the 'problem' instead continue to argue that something is 'OP' without testing it properly and diverting this thread further than you already have. Why not display your player card? Or will it also show disparity?
EDIT: Oh but erm, why have you not mentioned how good the Pgrens double shreck squad is vs PIATS? Despite the cost being about the same difference as double piats to a single sturm shreck? That, I find quite odd!
Mate, I clearly stated that 1 schrek costs similar to 2 PIATs. Maybe you should look a little deeper next time at the point being made before you mouth off. Double PIAT squads is a VERY common occurrence. On the other hand, single schreks were considered OP on volks.
Just watch this video I kindly made for you just now, so please use the video to rant about the TRUE "OP" AT squad here, especially if you are going to use upgrade pricing as an argument: