Profile of turbotortoise

Did you guys read the part about the ballistic damage or do you just dont understand it?

No, as someone who played CoH1 and has fond memories of the canister round punishing blobs/rushing HQ's after forcing a retreat; the thought of a unit with the CS not being able to gib is about as unthinkable as riding a wheelchair into combat, which is what the greyhound would become unless, as you don't seem to be reading our responses: the unit is reworked.

Amazing reason to justify keeping it a squad wiper. The unit is broken, people only use it to drive up, wipe a squad and drive away. This thing will wipe several squads a match especially during the critical early game, paying for itself several times over. Its bullshit needs a nerf.

I wasn't arguing one way or another. My argument was that it isn't as OP as ace4sure believes. I'm agreeing that it's broken in my post, and to address your response: it can wipe squads, (not in the early game) but it often won't because:

1. the aim is janky.
2. it has no armour.
3. the range is poor.

and regarding it's equity, in the occasion it does wipe say... 2, squads, there are good odds it isn't going to live, for 280mp, it's only doubling it's already poor efficiency, excluding the fuel.

To expand my position: I would love to see the M8 be better overall, not talking about the canister, like make it worth while without it, and add some more appeal to my favourite commander.

what do you currently do?

Bazooka>Faust

in... cost "effectiveness" i... guess.

I disagree about the timing, as Jeeves says by the time they've locked down both fuels

Spreading out your forces across the map is probably the worst thing you can do against aggressive Con/Maxim play because early OKW units are useless without supporting each other. You need to keep your units close-knit and flank while he suppresses your Volks.

>It just struck me as well the sturmoffiziers force retreat could be powerful in that situation too if that doctrine interests you.

Wrong doctrine choice in all honesty, you need Scavenge doctrine in this situation for infiltration grenades to complement your Volks and Jaegers for sprint+grenade spam. Wasting muni on the Sturm officer and vanilla grenades to deal with maxims that will just retreat and reposition will only prevent you from equipping shreks.

I'll address your last paragraph first and say you're spot on. I'd not played with that commander, those abilities sound powerful, but I don't follow your circular reasoning in your previous paragraphs. Allow me to rebut:

I'll start with any specific map argument by using the ultimate counter, the veto system, and to address your other points: how can an "aggressive con/maxim player" lock down both fuels without spreading their forces, leaving massive holes? I might be losing the thrust of the thread but in my experience the only way this sort of play becomes bothersome is if they're locking down a killzone on a rather narrow section of ground; and frankly, in the unfortunate situation you've lost both fuels, there are likely a lot of other deficiencies in one's game.

Along those same lines: "early OKW units are useless without supporting each other" what is a maxim without support? Which is why I suggest playing around them, spreading one's troops. It's not about looking for a knockout in the early game, the trick is looking to counter his early game, keeping it even, and beat them mid/late game.

My main point is as, OKW teching is so wonky that if you manage to at the very least keep terriotry 50/50, the Soviets can be pretty easily defeated. That means avoiding fighting loosing engagements such as well entrenched defenses without the proper equipment and preserving troops, allowing the vet system to kick in.