True. The problem is that USF has many tools to make paks useless. They are too slow to react to flanks and of course terrible attacking kiting units. Their range is 60 (just like TDs) and tank destroyers shooting at advancing tanks will almost always be out of their range and screened by infantry. Shrecks are very expensive upgrade on a fragile and expensive squad. Screening infantry has a relatively easy job of damaging them forcing a retreat or simply wiping them when they want to have that one more volley.
To be honest AT guns are great vs USF since they have no Kat and yes Gal but that is doctrinal. You just have to micro and defend you AT guns and Shrek squads. |
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Why do people find it so hard to fight Jacksons when Paks and Shreks get the job done? Jackson has 0 anti infantry capability. |
A lot of people are for the idea to nerf the unit so badly, that it will land on the pile of "units-that-were-once-good-then-nerfed-to-death". Some people even defend the idea that USF will still work even if Jackson is nerfed to uselessness.
There is no USF without a good Jackson. Allies are currently just a repository of a handful of crutch units.
I agree with this 100%. Jackson is the lifeline of AT for USF late game and I remember how terrible it was to play Allies with WFA came out. |
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I say replace faust with traps!? |
Purely a L2P issue on your side. Virtually all good players agree that the T34-85 is the best (or at the very least top 3) medium. Its cost-effectiveness is through the roof since it is highly capable at fighting infantry as well as bullying other mediums. Its health pool also makes it a great choice for taking on the KT.
You might not realise that it has 800 health, more armour, and a lot more pen than the T34-76, but that really matters in tank vs tank fights. Statistically it has approximately a 90% chance of winning 1vs1 against an Ost p4 (significantly higher % chance to pen + 25% more health), which costs 30mp and 10 fuel less. There's literally no medium as cost-efficient as the T34-85.
Ost has plenty of counters to the T34-85, but that doesn't change the fact that the T34-85, in and of itself, is a top-of-class unit. If Ost had a unit that good, you and CODGUY would have quit the game already. Ost P4s already have a slight edge vs Shermans, T34-76s, and Cromwells, but the P4 still gets blown away by T34-85s.
The OKW p4 has high armour that gives it a very light repair burden and great survivability, so certainly an argument can be made that it's the best medium. But dissing the T34-85 simply means you're a really bad player who doesn't understand how incredibly cost-efficient the T34-85 is.
You are comparing a tank that is in a doctrine vs stock P4.... |
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Sounds like Major recon is a problem in team games but dont forget it cost muni in a muni starved army like USF. |
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USF needs EZ-8 non-doctrine or overly buffed Sherman AT rounds if the Jackson were to be nerfed. Also, I am sorry but I dont want a buff AT gun to offset Jackson nerfs especially when late game comes with arty spam cancer. |
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Field defense and M1919 is probably the best. The flamethrower on RE doesn't fit the theme for "Rifle company". |
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To be honest the 120mm use to be OP and abusive in 4 v 4 games where soviet player can spam MGs and hide behind USF/UKF early - mid game. I think maybe decreasing its popcap or price would suffice. To be honest this mortar has been nerfed so much that I would rather build just regular soviet mortar every time, cheap and a 6 man squad to get the job done. |
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I do find it frustrating using JP due to penetration and allot of misses. I notice the projectile always hit the ground more often then using SU-85. This tank is no where worth its price. |
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