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And a 160 fuel ultra-niche unit that cannot defend itself against anything isn't a significant investment?

The Panther is zero risk compared to the Sturmtiger. If you get a Panther and he doesn't get any Tanks, you just have the DPS of LMG Grenadiers rolling around protected by 320 armour and 800 health. If you get a Sturmtiger and he does go for Tanks, the Sturmtiger cannot defend itself. It sounds like you Schreck Blob so obviously that's less of a concern. The point is a bad Sturmtiger can lose you the game, but a bad Panther simply means you do less damage than you could have.

Nobody is saying that a Sturmtiger is always a good choice, and that it cannot be a bad investment. But a Panther can be a dumb investment as well if your getting it to counter infantry which is not it's main purpose.

For example, if I'm facing a lot of medium armor it makes sense to get a Jadgpanzer if I have the HQ, if I don't then I get a Panther. Similarly, if I'm facing massive amounts of support weapons and I have a Mechanized HQ I can get a stuka, but If I don't I can get a sturmtiger. See how this works out?

And again this is entirely dependent on the game mode. The Panther shines greatly in 1's and 2's because it's typically going 1 on 1 or 1 on 2 versus enemy armor. In 3's and 4's the amount of tanks your facing ramps up and so does the amount of tank destroyers. You also have to deal with a lot more blobs in 3's and 4's as well which makes the Sturmtiger more useful more often.

I think this disagreement is happening because we are all talking about different game modes, I honestly don't think a Panther is -always- a good investment, it is mostof the time but if your facing a skilled player the Panther's value greatly reduces if it's not fighting what it should be.

The Panther is never a bad choice, it's not always the best choice. But heavy tank armour, above medium health, above medium tank mobility, and 3 machine guns. Not only is he protected against future armour, but he can simply throw the Panther around due to the Machine Guns, arguably with better effect than a T-34/76 or KV-1 in the infantry role. It doesn't excel against infantry, but it's insurance against anything with an engine, possibly including even aircraft.

There is no risk to getting out a Panther, but there is significant risk to getting out a Sturmtiger.

You are really really underestimating how much 175 fuel is of an investment for OKW, that's putting any more tier buildings back a while and any more tanks even farther back. Honestly I just don't use the panther barely at all because OKW has better AT in the form of shreks, and the panther just has such an horrid fire rate. If I already have the medi truck down and I need AT -now- I'll take a Jadgpanzer.

And yes making a Sturmtiger when your not facing stuff it counters is dumb, but this could be said for literally any unit in the game at the moment.

A Panther will protect you against pretty much every tank in the game, a Sturmtiger cannot stop a WC 51. That's hyperbole, but a Panther is never a bad choice, while a bad call on the Sturmtiger will ruin your game.

A Panther is a very bad choice if your facing mass amounts of support weapons that are messing up your infantry. Honestly in every game mode above 2's I only get one if I'm desperate. A Panther doesn't counter what a Sturmtiger does, the exact opposite really.

The stuka Iv found since the nerfs preforms poorly versus skilled players, and only really shines on urban maps were you are having to clear out mass amounts of buildings.

The unit is pretty useless with out canister shot, just make it so it comes in with the armor upgrade and make the main gun better at infantry killing. Just get rid of canister shot, it's dumb that a unit can insta gib any squad that stands still long enough to try and shrek.

Yeah a range buff would be nice.