Profile of Grumpy

I don't like of using call ins tanks always


What would I like to see?

1) Mark target to Commanders that don't have Call in tanks.

2) IL2 patrol for 180 amm is in a good spot but a bit expensive I really wish to use it more frequet or add more armor pentration for 180 ammo to inflict more damage to medium/heavy tanks. Or just lower the price of it to 150-160

3) I would to use ML20 arty if the price was not 600 but 450-500 AND decrease a bit popcap. Also, is a good Idea to allow all arty to move inside some circle to avoid divebomb or similar

4) I doubt in usefullness the vet 1 ability of medium and heavy tanks.

5) Scout car does nothing by itself.



Conscripts outdated in late gave having very low survivabilty in the late game besides they can't inflict damage.

If you did #3, I would build a sniper, an extra CE, 2 SU85's, and six ML20's, and spam mines. With roughly 24 large shells landing per minute, no place would be safe. Wouldn't be a fun game, for anyone.

Scout car is a great early game counter to Kubel, and just like the Kubel, it has a limited time of usefulness.


I think the real problem with Soviets is that the tech tiers were balanced versus Ost, and no change was done to either Ost or Soviet when Western Front came out. Now, if the Soviet player wants T3 or T4, they have to pay 240mp and 120 fuel for the privilege of buying some really lackluster units. Unless I really need a Katy, I'll skip T3 and T4 and just use call-ins.

Ost has it slightly worse, as they have to tech through T3 to get to T4. For roughly the cost of T4 + SU85, I can get 2 T34/85's or an IS2. Ost has the same problem, which is why you see so many commanders with Tigers used. I haven't added it up, but think that Ost loses the cost of a Tiger if it wants to tech to T4 and buy Panthers. Two Tigers versus one Panther is also an easy call in 1v1.

My suggestions for Soviets would be to greatly decrease the tech cost of T3 and T4 for both Soviets and Ost, or keep it the same but give the player a USABLE unit, like the lieutenant, or a usable building like the OKW Panzer Schwerer. As for the units themselves, I would only change the SU76 (full disclosure - I haven't tried the Ost Panzerwerfer). Since the SU76 was a field gun, the barrage should have the range of a field gun which is more than a mortar. Give the barrage a range of 120-160 and it would be useful. Leave the direct fire range the same.

Yes, as the war progressed the Germansgot more and more stupid in tank design, Panther was probably the best (once they fixed its major issues). But after that, Elefants, Jagdtigers, King Tigers and the Maus etc. All too slow and too cumbersome to do much. Their logic was effectively, more armour + bigger guns = win?

Some of the generals like Guderian wanted Germany to concentrate on AT guns, STuG's, etc. Hitler would have none of it and started the technical superiority propaganda. The thing I find interesting about the technical superiority myth, is that you'll find claims of single battles where Germans claimed to have destroyed hundreds of Soviet vehicles, yet at the end of the day, the Germans were retreating and the Soviets owned the battlefields. The axis fanboys take their word as gospel while dismissing Soviet claims as anecdotal, yet most of the Panzer VI B's still in existence are in someone's museum.

And the Panther could take out T-34s from 3km away. KVs were easily defeated by Panzer IVs and StuGs from a km. Yet that´s not ingame.

85mms defeating KTs now? Maybe from the sides, definitely not from the front. Even Panthers with almost half the armor bounced 85mm without a problem. You are maybe referring to a Russian testing, where they would shoot some hundreds of shells on a plate until it succumbs.

In this game Russian armor gets off pretty well considering the disastrous losses they actually took. Losses so high that they would totally cripple the tank arm of any other nation.

OMFG, how did the Soviets manage to take Berlin then? Oh wait, the German's had maybe 1500 AFV's of all types to defend Berlin. The Soviets had 4x that, and the rest of the Allies had probably 40x that many AFV's making popcorn and watching from a safe distance. So who suffered "disastrous" losses? You're cherry picking historical arguments. There were 600 Tiger II's made vers 54,000 T34's (all types). Since you like historical arguments, change the cost and pop cap of the T34 to 1/90 of a Tiger II (8 manpower and 3 fuel, 1 pop cap), make half or more of the Tiger II's break down before they come into the field of battle, and then make some of the remainder run out of gas during play.

Make those changes and you'll never hear a Soviet player complain again, or simply stop with the "historical" arguments that somehow try to make the loser of both World Wars into an army of super heroes.

Here is an actual (albeit atypical) engagement of 3 T34/85's vs 3 KT's. Try to duplicate this in COH2.

http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/history-research-third-reich-ww2/3-king-tigers-vs-t-34-85-a-272607/

Whoa uh, are you sure in the right place? Didn't stray from the CoH1 forums by accident?

In CoH2, all vehicle call-ins also cost fuel, unlike in CoH1 where they were manpower only. Currently, Tigers and IS-2 cost 640 manpower and 230 fuel in CoH2.

I think he was talking about the Tiger Ace. A lot of people complain about it not costing any fuel.

Game is super unrealistic in almost every way outside of graphics and sound effects so Im not going to bother arguing semantics anymore, it hurts my head.

I still love the game, i just find it immensely frustrating.

I can't speak to anything bigger than 2v2 games though.

The game isn't intended to be realistic. If you want that, there's Men Of War Assault Squad 1 or 2 that are much more realistic, and much less fun to play. This game is intended to be a fun game with 15-60 minute matches ala StarCraft or WarCraft and barely historically more accurate than those. Would you really want a match that took multiple days? Where tanks routinely 1-shot each other from distances further than infantry can see without binoculars? Where a 57mm AT gun can 1 shot a Tiger from the side (were Relic to include side armor). You'd get maybe 1 tank per 100 infantry, so the game would largely be infantry based. You would order your troops to charge across an open field and some might charge while the others ask if you are nukking futs. You would have to add vodka as an resource (in addition to fuel and munitions) if you want troops to do stupid shit.

I've played both MoW 1&2 and both of them quickly reach boring and tedious.