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Thread: What to do with the MG34?19 Aug 2015, 00:43 AM Jump back to quoted post19 Aug 2015, 00:38 AMAppleseed i said it gives vision to mortar for extreme long period of time compare to other HMG, other HMG pin unit down it need retreat other wise it is dead sq (usual sq pin in HMG fire will die out during around 2-4 shots from mortar), then mortar need use barrage ability or attack ground to bombard the HMG, not like have vision so it can land very accuracy shots, if you say price % and effectiveness compares between similar unit is invalid then what they compare to should be valid. almost all units in COH2 is pretty much with in range of price and effectiveness compare to similar units, there is price difference and there is some up and downs. yes SP is twice price and 4x damage than RE only in range of 3, far range is 45%/1.5dps more in far. so if you have two RE in range you can beat SP no problem on stat, also SP can't build fighting position, can't throw rifle nades out of a bunker, cant buy two bazooka work as cheap AT unit. sign, whatever i got nothing more to say to you as you indeed think 12.5% less price with 72% less damage to a similar unit with similar ability is fine. Exactly, see, you made my point for me. RE can do other stuff other than DPS. Same with MG34. It has more pen, a MUCH better vet1 ability that allows it to kill light vehicles and a much wider arc compared to the maxim. But you just want to look at DPS, that's fine. That's why I said, pure DPS comparison to cost is silly if that's all you're looking at. And yes it is really hard to read your paragraphs with poor punctuation. So you're saying you think the suppression is fine? Good I agree as well. I just think that the suppression is really all it's needed for in the context of the OKW army. Also, it sounds like you're saying after the squad retreats then the mortar just bombards until it dies? I could just move my MG34 if I'm being bombarded. We could theory craft in circles like this all day but it won't get us anywhere. How about this, you, Alex and I can join a game and we can do some tests with the MG-34 and post the replay on here and people can make up their own minds. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the MG34?19 Aug 2015, 00:17 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 23:57 PMAlexzandvar OKW lacks any sort of mortar equivalent to punish pinned/suppressed squads and suppressed squads can just kill you with a nade if you can't punish them for sticking around in the arc. The 34 just takes so long to pin it's very hard to keep it alive. That is not true, they have the leig support gun which has longer range than any other mortar with the exception of the heavy mortar which is doctrinal and the barrage from the pack howi which only has 4 shots. Secondly, you can punish pinned/suppressed squads with volks/sturms even if you didn't build one. The same way that OST players spot and punish pinned/suppressed squads with pioneers. Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 23:53 PMAppleseed well they can sit there for full min give mortar clear vision and keep MG busy can't fire on other squad i don't think it is punishment at all. 30MP cheaper than Maxim i don't see excuse of from able to kill alot to kill nothing difference. HMG34 have 27.85% damage of Maxim, so in your thinking 30mp/12.5% cheaper means 72.15% less damage is justify then i really have nothing to say First of all, direct mp comparisons to DPS are really silly. Because a squad is X% cheaper than another squad, does not mean it is X% less effective, or vice versa. It would be like me complaining that a sturmpioneer does 4 times more damage than a rear echelon, but it's only twice as expensive, so it should be nerfed. I think we'd all agree that is really stupid. Or, how about a Zis which costs no fuel, can beat a jagdpanzer? Should we nerf the zis? You need to be really careful about doing costs per DPS comparisons because there are other factors to consider other than just "this does costs X% more so it should do X% more dps". Then you're complaining that one infantry squad and one mortar beat one MG34, I think that's pretty fair. Maybe you can bring an infantry squad with your support team like he did. The role of the mg34 is to suppress squads, not deal a lot of damage. I think the veterancy issue is a valid complaint and they should lower the vet requirements. The suppression never seems to be an issue for me whenever I use it. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the MG34?18 Aug 2015, 23:31 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 23:10 PMAppleseed yes its suppress is ok for its price but a sq can stay suppress for a very long time give other sq time to shoot at crew members, and usually HMG34 will lose two crew member very fast, while the sq suppress to hell maybe lost 1-2 models some times none, any other HMG team have that problem? any sq stay in any other HMG fire zone suppressed will lose members like flies. we suggest HMG34 damage increase is because sqs should be punished for staying in the HMG suppression, not like they just need lay on the floor and take a nap. being suppressed is a punishment. If my squad is suppressed, they can barely move and shoot less accurately. Then they'll get pinned if they don't retreat. They are a support team, they are not meant to be by themselves. That's why they are so cheap. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the MG34?18 Aug 2015, 21:55 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 20:56 PMAlexzandvar They didn't increase Sturms DPS. And Sturms are supposed to be used in conjunction with Kubels not MG34's. The fact it does better close range suppression is irrelevant, since if a squad is close to you they can just throw a grenade and kill you. http://www.coh2.org/replay/37566/final-ost-1v1-placement-match You're assuming that it's far suppression isn't enough to suppress a squad at far range, maybe you can show a replay of that? My squads usually get suppressed when they start getting shot at by a mg-34. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the MG34?18 Aug 2015, 21:53 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 20:34 PMAlexzandvar I addressed your arguments. The MG34 is worse than things that cost less than it does. And it's far worse than things that cost a similar amount. Interestingly enough that replay was from before I got good at the game, meaning that back when I wasn't very good you still couldn't beat me lol. Just a vet requirement reduction wouldn't do anything since even with vet it still can't do it's job. It's job is to suppress, which is does well enough for a 210 MP unit. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the MG34?18 Aug 2015, 18:57 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 18:30 PMCruzz if it's false, a burst weapon can hit other infantry in the scatter radius if it misses the thing it's firing on. This is free extra DPS spread around the target that will not be shown on the weapon stats people so love to quote. Oh that's really interesting. Do those "missed shots" cause suppression if they hit other models? Is the hit just based on bullet collision with models or is there a second accuracy roll that determines the hit? Sorry for being off topic, this is pretty interesting. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the MG34?18 Aug 2015, 18:23 PM Cruzz, What does the focus_fire stat mean? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with the MG34?18 Aug 2015, 18:22 PM The mg34's suppression isn't much worse than the maxim, even by the numbers you posted. It's better at certain ranges and worse at others. Also, the MG34 has better penetration AND a larger firing arc, not to mention a MUCH better vet1 ability that gives it the ability to destroy some light vehicles very effectively. It's also a call-in at 0 CP, is the cheapest MG in the game and is not locked behind any tiers. On another note, the suppression values you posted, are suppression per burst, not suppression per second. The mg34 has a shorter burst duration at longer ranges than the maxim, so it's doing more suppression per second than it seems. I would be in favor of lowering the vet requirements a bit since the damage isn't that good. In the most extreme case, I wouldn't be opposed to a slight buff to far accuracy, but that's about it. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Bring back the SdKfz 221 Scout Car14 Aug 2015, 21:46 PM Jump back to quoted post14 Aug 2015, 19:52 PMdaspoulos Great at showcasing how worthless the 222s firepower is. Buff damage, buff armor, increase price to like 35 fuel. That's weird, it looks like the MG just stops firing when the 2cm cannon is firing. This is interesting. Maybe it is a bug. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: USF Mines need looking at6 Aug 2015, 19:31 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2015, 19:28 PMAvNY But... But.... Difference! If USF is to be the harder and powerful-though-more-micro-intensive faction then their mines should be more powerful and micro intensive too. Assymetrical balance.... or something. They should just build in a group and come 5 at a time or something. Is there even a reason to just build one or two by themselves? I guess to kill a kubel? In: COH2 Balance