Why don't more people realise the reason that OKW have so many panzerschreks is because the other AT options aside from medium and heavy tanks are terrible? Removing panzerschreks doesn't fix anything. It just smacks of allied fanboyism and/or poor planning. |
T-34-76 is really "soviet osttrupen tank".
Except T-34 is a tank. Now with no OKW schrecks it is getting big indirect buff. There is no reason why allies should get more powerful standard tanks. Choose doctrine if you want them. End of discussion. |
Nobody likes "cheap n' spammable units" ok? Otherwise, Osttrupens would be more popular for Ostheers.
Are you really comparing Ostruppen to T-34/85 and 76mm Sherman? Great logic. |
That means any doctrine with these medium+ tanks are game breaking right? Being non-doctrine means players could use or see these tanks more often(as they participate the wars which panther/KT/Jadgpanzer combines)
BTW, Panther is considered as medium++ tank, should it be doctrinal?
No, because they are limited to balanced doctrines and it sounds like you want to make them cheap spammable units.
Panther costs 200 fuel, is very poor vs Infantry and it is not a generalist tank. Why is this even a comparison? Panther is closer to Firefly than T-34/85. |
Behold, the glory of quantity over quality!
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Spamming these medium+ tanks would break the game. Unnecessary. They are already there doctrinally. |
Well, outside of sprice games I don't really see any zook blobs.
Contrary to shrecks, you're loosing considerable amount of AI when going for them, you could go for RET spam, but that again leaves you with no AI, which wasn't a concern for OKW.
I'm really surprised you even attempt to defend shreckvolk cancer here.
What is behind these shrecks/zooks matters too and I don't think I need to say how big of a foundation they were for further OKW cheeze.
For USF its just a 4v4 gimmick, not a valid choice to spam zooks.
Lol every US player is spamming bazookas now. It's just as bad as OKW if not worse since they combine with LMG. |
the raketen have the best cloak in the entire game. Unlike the elite commandos or the elite wehr sniper, both of which have to hide in bush or holes in the game, the raketen project a cloaking field that let it hide anywhere.
If something goes awry, the raketen also have the option to just press "r" and GTFO.
It needs that because it's so god damn terrible without having super cloak and if it gets caught up close usually it's dead on retreat. |
Ok Volks dont have shreks but now how OKW going to deal with Tanks? Am I missing something here or Relic? No new unit nothing.
the raketen still have excellent survivability due to cloak and the ability to retreat.
Raketen has terrible survivability. |
On the fear of lack of shreks, I believe it can be compensated by giving the raketen more range and a wider arc to be better at controlling the field vs early vehicles.
Why isn't it buffed? It's very obvious that it should be if panzerschrecks are gone. |
The additions don't seem... that bad?
SU85 is a bit better, USF finally gets some early-game indirect fire, Ost gets sandbags (and flamer HT isn't a "lose 120muni" button anymore), OKW faust is preemptively fixed... Patch seems to be decent?
Still, things which MUST be addressed:
1. USF rifle blobs. The amount of AI power these can bring is absolutely insane. They need to be brought at least closer to 'in-line'.
2. UKF bofors 'barrage' ability. It hard-counters what is supposed to be a hard counter (AT gun). It needs to go, or get a range nerf so that it can't take out max-range AT guns.
3. UKF Engineers 'half price' vet 3. Prices should never change with vet.
4. OKW FLaK. It gets destroyed by a single shot.
Other than those changes, I'm actually looking forward to testing this out. The OKW changes will be interesting (not sure if good or bad...), but the rest seem to be quite good.
+1 to all these. The Bofors barrage ability is possibly the most ridiculous and blatantly OP thing I've ever seen in CoH. It needs to go full stop. It's funny how Bazooka + LMG (+ Possible Suppress) + Snare + Grenade + Smoke Riflemen blobs are totally fine but Panzerschreck blobs aren't....
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