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In team games axis has a strong late game, not an OVERPOWERED one, theirs a difference. In the live game the only time axis have an advantage in lategame is when ther is an USF on the allies side but thats just because USF has a weak late game (both brits and soviets have good late games imo).

Ironically USF has a very weak early game in team game also. Try to imagine two USF players fighting on the same side.

Story 1: Strum occupy the house in the controversial point. Rear echelons have nothing can do. Ost player's MG42 enter into the house. USF players build mortars and try to force the mg leave the house. Ost player build even more mortars to counter and out range USF players' mortars. Early game is done. No fuel point for USF players in team game.


Story 2: Strum occupy the house in the controversial point. Rear echelons have nothing can do. Ost player's MG42 enter into the house. USF players build a lot of riflemen and try to smoke the area. USF players reach the building and throw two grenade with a total of 60 munitions which can buy a more useful flamethrower if it was SU and find that the MG42 doesn't die then all the riflemen are pinned down. Early game is done. No fuel point for USF players in team game.

Story 2A: Strum occupy the house in the controversial point. Rear echelons have nothing can do. Ost player's MG42 enter into the house. USF players build a lot of riflemen and try to smoke the area. USF players reach the building and throw two grenade into the building with a total of 60 munitions which can buy a more useful flamethrower if it was SU and finally successfully force the mg leave the house after wasting 60 munition. After that, USF players find that there is another MG42/ MG bunker that covering that building. However it is too late, all the riflemen get pinned immediately and lost heavily due to turbo mortars. Early game is done. No fuel point for USF players in team game.

Story 2B: Strum occupy the house in the controversial point. Rear echelons have nothing can do. Ost player's MG42 enter into the house. USF players build a lot of riflemen and try to smoke the area. USF players reach the building and throw two grenade into the building with a total of 60 munitions which can buy a more useful flamethrower if it was SU and finally successfully force the mg leave the house after wasting 60 munition. Fortunately, there is no more MG behind MG. However there is a lot of volks behind sand bags and throwing a lot of flame nade into the smoke. Early game is done. No fuel point for USF players in team game.

Story 2C: Strum occupy the house in the controversial point. Rear echelons have nothing can do. Ost player's MG42 enter into the house. USF players build a lot of riflemen and try to smoke the area. USF players reach the building and throw two grenade into the building with a total of 60 munitions which can buy a more useful flamethrower if it was SU and finally successfully force the mg leave the house after wasting 60 munition. Fortunately, there is no more MG behind MG. However there is a lot of volks behind sand bags but they doesn't throw any flame nade. Riflemen immediately enter the building that the MG occupied before and find that there is a strum ambushing them at the opposite side of the building with 0 range. Early game is done. No fuel point for USF players in team game.

You would ask, why don't they flank the MG from two different side? It's PORT OF HAMBURG!!

I have always wondered, why not simply make arty barrage costing munitions and reducing its building price (for example your DBP price cut in half for each arty unit). 100 munitions per barrage for any arty unit (including the priest).
In 4vs4 the guys building Arty is also the one building fuel cache for his mates, with this cost he will be forced into splitting cache in fuel and munition.

This change would strongly reduce the arty spam in general. Arty player would have to use more wisely their piece of arty, when and where to strike and not simply click the barrage button every two minutes. Opposing players would have to decide if they want/need to hard counter arty or leave it as it is.



You forgot USF mechanized commander, reco swip + 155mm arty barrage wreck every piece of artillery.
But you are right, there is a lot more reliable commanders on Axis side to counter static arty.

I doubt that the 155mm arty barrage can one-shot a full health lefh... There is some rng involved. And we know how trash the commander is that nearly no one would pick

And you can SBD thru fog of war? i think there are more allied offmaps which kills howitzers than you listed like air supremancy etc (probably even major arty kills it)

Ost has 3 SDB commander with recon but SU only has one. Air supremancy need sight so it is not on the list. Major artillery is limited by the range of the major and I can sure it can't kill a full health howitzer unless you have really good RNG, so it is not on the list too.

If you do this, then any team that doesn't have two guys with offmaps will be doomed to be barraged by the howitzer all game long.

Even if that weren't the case, by giving brace to howitzers you are decreasing the conversion ratio of MU (offmaps needed) to MP/FU (to level howitzers). Isn't there a reason why we couldn't achieve the same by directly affecting the:
- Price threshold of off-maps required to level howitzers (e.g., in the patch from 120MU to 200MU)
- Lowering the requirements of bottleneck resources (e.g., in the patch from 600MP to 400MP)

Reliable Axis -counter option ( able to one-shot ML20/B4)

Ost:
3 SDB commander with recon(SCAS, Luftwaffe, Elefant)
1 SDB commander with both lefh and SDB
1 fragmentation bomb commander with recon

OKW:
zeroing artillery
assault artillery


Reliable Ally -counter option (able to one-shot LEFH):
SU:
1 IL-2 bombing strike commander with recon( basically no one would pick)


It appears axis have more reliable counter option in commonly used commander. So most of the time, the availability of using munition to reliably safely clear the enemy's cancerous howitzer play is only on axis side.

The point of pricing changes is that if the enemy kills your howitzer, you rebuild them. Then your opponent needs to hoard a lot of munitions to blow your howitzer up again.

There needs to be an option for howitzers to die with one-shots (preferably from 200MU+ strikes), so that they don't become completely cancerous on maps where they it's difficult to reach them.

On theory is. However, ost has a clearly edges(flexibility and cost) against ML 20 in commander choices in fact(eg. elephant+SDB+recon). Not to mention SDB is far from being a 200MU+ strike, How can you balance that?