But you need to upgrade your PF with G43 in order to them been able to do something. And that's 90muni. And it's still estable dps, not focus fire.
But once upgraded they're still the most broken infantry in the game. There's no reason that a 290 MP scouting/AI unit with a 90 muni upgrade should own a 280 MP utility unit with 120 Muni invested, at medium range. Their recon abilities also synergize ridiculously well with the JP4. And their AT rifle nade makes them somewhat viable for capping flanks. Honestly Panzerfusilier are one of the few non-Soviet things in the game that are clearly OP. (Wolverine, TWP, Ost sniper, etc.) |
I think it would be best to buff the Pack Howitzer and move it to the Inf Commander and move the M20 mortor half-track into Caption.
This isn't a bad idea. |
ops my bad, i guess my brain stop work as it is towards late night and haven't used jagers for a long time.
No worries, I know exactly how you feel lol. |
because falls is 1 time payment no upgrade needed, and jaegers are good infantry against blob as it is the only 6 men rifle sq, for price of 2 obers you got around 3 sq of jaegers which is 8 models vs 18 models huge difference as it really more effective in fighting blobs and cheap reinforcement price. also falls and jaegers have pazerfust which can help the rest of the army to cripple enemy tanks force them off from an attack or unable to run away from rest your army, while obers have nothing towards vehicle units. also if you have two falls that have some vet, it can go stealth behind enemy line and takeout kachusha or uncap cut off or fuel point.
obers does good when it is vet 2 and above, but it is quite hard for them as the time they arrive on battlefield there is armor around the map already that they can't scrach, and they need wait another min more to wait for upgrade (if the OKW player have the munition to pay for it right the way otherwise it is longer wait as obers is useless with out the lmg) also as the damage reduction it is not as effective against blobs, (yesterday i have two obers with lmg lose a fight with 3 guards as PRTS snipping, I remember lose to 3 sq of rifles with bar too) its reinforcement cost is so high, if enemy have a sniper obers is pretty much only able to stay in front for less than 10-20secs, and it hurts so much in MP bleed.
if they give back ober's lmg or lmg damage it maybe justify for its price.
Your talking about Panzerfusiliers, NOT JAEGERS. |
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Light AT mines are good. |
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I think that besides bland map specific opening that the biggest USF problems are commanders. USF relies on commanders just like the Soviet Faction, and all except Rifle Company have weaknesses.
1) Armor company vehicle crews upgrade is a waste, could be given to REs or something. 240mm arty is good cracking sim cities but not much else.
2) infantry company M1919 and Priest is good, but TOT barrage is bad, MHT sucks, and field defenses is semi pointless due to timing and defensive stance.
3) with fast Stuart air droppable AT gun is a moot ability. Air drop HMG is redundant with Paras and Pathfinders. IMO air dropping team weapons should come crewed with Paras.
4) Recon support company...yup. Wow. Good for cheese.
5) Mech company half track call-in really needs an HP buff or price buff, the WC51 needs an HP buff to reflect price. Recon overflight could use a cost buff.
Plus basic things like fixing grenade animation time and fixing the .50 cal reinforce will make the USF more attractive. |
I would like to see it be given to REs. Make them a cheaper but worse Assault Engineer squad that can do respectable damage at close range but worst at mid range compared to Assault Engineers. They'd be useful as a cheap flanking unit and it would extend their usefulness behind the early game in terms of Infantry combat power.
Thompson REs would be insane lol
although lots of cheap utilitarian close range units serving from all directions is the USF theme, so it's a good idea. |
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Pack howie is only worth it in RE heavy builds IMO.
Best solution is to make it replace the AT gun drop in airborne company (T0 AT gun is coming) and fill its spot with something useful in more situations. (Mortar, basic M3 Halftrack, a mortar) |
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M42 is a really good call in tank too. It hard counters Supply Halftrack and Opel Blitz trucks. |
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Keep Axis the same, nerf Soviet and buff USF accordingly. |
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