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Thread: did the ESL get cancelled ? (officially)3 Feb 2015, 17:48 PM Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2015, 17:45 PMGiaA People in forums like this should accept that CoH2 is not competitive or start doing something in order to change something by playing the game COMPETITIVE instead of discussing useless balance topics in forums. You made up that loop thingy. I never said that people don't participate in tourneys because they think they're useless wtf ? You might be an excellent "competitive" PC game player, for all I know. But you are a complete scrub at debate and argumentation. If this was (and it is) a competitive environment, you are losing, badly. In: Lobby
Thread: did the ESL get cancelled ? (officially)3 Feb 2015, 17:47 PM Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2015, 17:44 PMInverse Except the purpose of Minecraft isn't to facilitate a competition between two players. Coh2 facilitates a competition between two players. Albeit, with RNG inbuilt, as a benefit/handicap to both players in relatively equal proportion. This kind of lateral inequality is exactly what makes a game interesting. Who really wants to watch a sports match between two cloned opponents playing the same faction in the same game? Diversity, asymmetric alignments are exactly what keep everything interesting. In: Lobby
Thread: did the ESL get cancelled ? (officially)3 Feb 2015, 17:39 PM Neither is Minecraft. Do you see what I'm saying? On a pragmatic level, Coh2 is riddled with RNG, but this affects BOTH sides in a competitive situation. It is to the detriment of the competitive player, but to the benefit of the viewer in terms of an unpredictable and exciting outcome to a match. Rationally, this random, but equal, handicap/advantage should be something that draws attention to this game. Do we really want a "perfect" balance and system? Would that be interesting to watch? Even SC2 undergoes constant re-balancing iterations. If not, as I said, we would all still be watching chess. There is more to this than immediately meets the eye. Wrong questions are being asked. In: Lobby
Thread: did the ESL get cancelled ? (officially)3 Feb 2015, 17:30 PM Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2015, 17:17 PMGiaA My point was that there is no need for tourneys because no one participates in them anyways. "No one" is an exaggeration. That aside, I get your meaning. But what then is the explanation for why they do not participate? Because the prize is too small? Because the viewership is too small? Because organization is flawed? Because the game is too "shit" in their opinion? What is the reason for lack of turn-out? Coh2 has numerous casters who do it for free on their own time, with just the occasional tip paid as Sub. Even for them, participating in the tournament increases their own viewership, by means of advertising exposure under the umbrella stream of the tournament. Furthermore, as a company with a game product, what better way to promote it than to drop some thousands on a tournament that spans several streamed matches with your logo emblazoned on it, rather than instead spending those thousands on various media/advertisement efforts that cost 10-100x more? Your premise, and argument, are circular. "Nobody wants to participate in a tournament, because tournaments are useless, because nobody wants to participate in them, because the tournament is useless etc..." What instead do you propose as a way out of the logical loop that you yourself present as the problem? In: Lobby
Thread: Are there any RTS games coming with great potential ?3 Feb 2015, 17:20 PM RTS has advanced in huge leaps and bounds since the 90s, with all kinds of developments that utilize the potential of more advanced engines, CPUs and GFX cards, mostly so as ro involve a macro gaming perspective on top of the traditional (system limitation) on a micro scale. None, though, have achieved wide success. The genre has evolved excellently, from a design and strategy perspecrive. Problem is not there. Its in many people apparently not wanting to play games that require the kind of multi-tasking and strategic perspective that these games demand. Its perplexing as to why exactly, but I think thats really what it boils down to. Carronade, are you my brother from another mother? In: Lobby
Thread: did the ESL get cancelled ? (officially)3 Feb 2015, 17:11 PM Chess is competetive. Chess is balanced. I understand there are "competetive" players (meaning those who want to make a living playing) who approach a game from the perspective of which is most popular and lucrative, in terms of what to dedicate theirntime and effort to. But. There are however fking Minecraft players too who make a living simply off that. Pewdiepie, doesnt have a competetive bone in his entire body. If Relic has some spare thousands to drop on the game for promotion and advertisement, why not. Its the best product they have, regardless of whether it is considered "hip" by the co petetive community or not. You use what you have. Its readily clear, insofar as viewer numbers, that the balance/"designed competiviness" is not the bottom line. Some people seem to be losing perspective of the larger picture. Tournaments/streams are about entertainment value, not "competitiveness". If it was only about an immaculate balance/competition quotient, we would all be watching chess. And no, we aint. Why? Because its about as entertaining to the average viewer, as watching paint dry. In: Lobby
Thread: Are there any RTS games coming with great potential ?3 Feb 2015, 16:43 PM Nothing on the horizon that I know of. Sins of a Solar Empire, RUSE, Planetary Annihilation to name but a few have tried to develop the genre (imo successfully), but RTS has trouble gaining a foothold in the present gaming community. Im not sure why. Something about RTS, and strategy overall, either intimidates or simply bores current gamers. Also, to me surprisingly, many people prefer co-op play, rather than against others. In DoW2 for example, as a benchmark, the "The Last Stañd" co-op add-on gained enormous popularity compared to actual DoW2 itself. I think there where more people playing that, than the original game in multiplayer (I dont know for sure). As Katitof points out, also in WC3 era, somehow Dota, which initially was just something you played as a break from the main release (alongside Battleship, damn I loved that) eventually became more popular than the main release itself. There is something very psycho-social going on in all of this in this era,, but nobody seems to be able to quite put their finger on it. RTS used to readily compete with FPS, in terms of popularity. CS/Quake alongside C&C and SC. FPS was probably always more popular, but RTS had hard support. Often it was the same guys playing both as a break from the other for variety. One angle that is controversial, but imo is significant just as a matter of fact, is the influx of women into gaming. Gaming is no longer as homogenous as it once was to men. Arguably the population is now 50/50. Perhaps it just might be, for some reason, that RTS and strategy overall, simply does not appeal to a great deal of female gamers. Or atleast, to a proportionately smaller female player base, compared to the already small proportion of interested male players. In: Lobby
Thread: did the ESL get cancelled ? (officially)3 Feb 2015, 15:39 PM Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2015, 15:35 PMIpKaiFung Only in your twisted mind... Lastly Ami doesn't have me, I'm done with the game. Thanks for the insult, Mr."I handled ESL alone and my result is 1ladder per month and 50%attrition". Fine. Ami cant count in you. Your call. But neither can ESL. Infact theyve got NOBODY, alongside no community and no streamers. Sucks to hear Ami has such a hard time getting staff to support, but nonetheless there is far more potential here, than in the zero representation/potential ESL. Sure, it will involve hard work, but its not everyday you get to promote a game and your site for such an enormous pot of cash prizes. Relic would be better off salvaging what they can and hosting it in partnership with coh2.org, for reasons stated previously. Here, atleast hundreds of viewers, maybe even a thousand, can be expected. On ESL? Would barely register as a blip. Who the hell would even organize/commentate/stream it there? In: Lobby
Thread: did the ESL get cancelled ? (officially)3 Feb 2015, 15:33 PM May not have been what you meant, but it is what can readily be concluded and inferred from it. I dont see why Ami would have to run it on his own. He has the entire staff here, and you. Certainly turnout would he higher from here, than what you report from ESL. Both in players, as well as viewers And why would he be pissed off to be granted access to prize money and Relic backing such as was promised to ESL? Not sure what you mean by that. In: Lobby
Thread: did the ESL get cancelled ? (officially)3 Feb 2015, 15:23 PM If even Ipkai, as the only guy promoting Coh2 in ESL thinks its a bum deal. And at reported 1match per month on ladder, and 50%attrition in tourneys, with a forum and game status relegated to "old", certainly sounds like full of fail. Would be better then to allocate whatever funds can be redeemed from around the contract, for a tournament here in partnership with coh2.org instead. The forum community is here, the viewer community is here, the casting community is here, the staff and experience for holding coh2 tournaments is here. Sounds like a no-brainer to me in terms of cost/benefit. In: Lobby